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[GMT 09/11/05 13:35:45] Nick change: DeannaHence-tampa -> Deanna-ops [GMT 09/11/05 13:45:36] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 13:45:40] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 13:45:43] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 13:45:56] hi [GMT 09/11/05 13:46:03] Greetings Dave - Welcome to RAINEX chat [GMT 09/11/05 13:46:08] what's happening?? [GMT 09/11/05 13:46:11] G'morning Deanna [GMT 09/11/05 13:46:54] morning brad :) [GMT 09/11/05 13:50:52] test test test [GMT 09/11/05 13:51:07] good morning Dave [GMT 09/11/05 13:51:26] its working!!!! [GMT 09/11/05 13:51:31] yessiree [GMT 09/11/05 13:51:47] haven't seen you since BAMEX [GMT 09/11/05 13:52:02] yep [GMT 09/11/05 13:53:46] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 13:53:59] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 13:54:07] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/11/05 13:55:31] Dave will be flying alongside me today Deanna--he's headed out to 43 for a pre-flight safety brief. The rest of us will join him there shortly [GMT 09/11/05 13:56:21] Jasmine-ops (jasmine@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 13:56:45] gotcha [GMT 09/11/05 13:56:47] G'morning Jasmine--look forward to working with y'all today in full-blown three-aircraft mode! [GMT 09/11/05 13:58:23] Hey Brad--you bet, same here! [GMT 09/11/05 13:58:59] Gotta pack up... chat with you again once we're airborne [GMT 09/11/05 13:59:03] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 14:12:04] bruning-Tampa (bruning@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:12:29] bruning-Tampa (bruning@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 14:12:39] Jasmine-ops, morning... are you seeing the 1 hz data from 43? [GMT 09/11/05 14:12:49] Nick change: n43_RAMS -> terry-n43 [GMT 09/11/05 14:13:38] we're seeing it Terry :) [GMT 09/11/05 14:13:54] i'll be monitoring the data streams today [GMT 09/11/05 14:16:29] bruning-Tampa (bruning@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:16:34] bruning-Tampa (bruning@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 14:20:43] terry-n43, good morning! Yes, Deanna will be watching the data streams today for both aircraft. Have a good flight! [GMT 09/11/05 14:22:40] StacyBrodzik-Ops (brodzik@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:25:55] thanks Jasmine, good morning Deanna.... [GMT 09/11/05 14:26:07] good morning [GMT 09/11/05 14:26:10] I'll start the radar feed after we start engines in a few min. [GMT 09/11/05 14:26:23] great! just let me know [GMT 09/11/05 14:27:08] JimMoore (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:29:31] Nick change: JimMoore -> JimMoore-Ops [GMT 09/11/05 14:50:50] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:52:02] N43RF is taxiing to Rwy 040 [GMT 09/11/05 14:52:43] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:53:03] Nick change: N43-Sta2 -> RobRogers-n43 [GMT 09/11/05 14:53:33] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 14:54:51] terry-n43, i haven't started to receive the LF data...have you started the radar yet? [GMT 09/11/05 14:55:15] takeoff of n43 at 1455 UTC [GMT 09/11/05 14:55:19] N43 is airborne [GMT 09/11/05 14:55:49] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left &RAINEX (Leaving). [GMT 09/11/05 14:59:29] Deanna- Radar starts occur 5-10 min into the flight. System is just coming up now [GMT 09/11/05 14:59:59] Brad, thanks for the info [GMT 09/11/05 15:01:29] Radars are up [GMT 09/11/05 15:02:13] ot sending data yet... stand by [GMT 09/11/05 15:07:05] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:07:10] Jasmine-ops, are you out there? [GMT 09/11/05 15:07:35] JimMoore-Ops, yes I am [GMT 09/11/05 15:07:52] Jasmine-ops, ok [GMT 09/11/05 15:07:57] hello Jim from N43 [GMT 09/11/05 15:08:52] DaveJorgensen-N43, Hey Dave--good to know we make up the "A" team-- ?? [GMT 09/11/05 15:09:53] - none was loaded for this flight!!! [GMT 09/11/05 15:10:51] DaveJorgensen-N43, -- [GMT 09/11/05 15:11:12] oh my!!! [GMT 09/11/05 15:12:51] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/11/05 15:13:03] N43 is tracking 013, climbing to FL 140. Our ETA at IP is 1620 UTC [GMT 09/11/05 15:13:37] gstoss (gstoss@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:13:55] Nick change: gstoss -> GregStossmeister-Ops [GMT 09/11/05 15:18:33] terry, how's it coming with the LF data? [GMT 09/11/05 15:20:19] RAINEXGUEST (rainex@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 15:20:27] BradSmull-n43, what is 43's IP? [GMT 09/11/05 15:20:28] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:21:02] BradSmull-n43, I mean what is the lat/lon of your ip [GMT 09/11/05 15:21:36] standby bob I'm checking [GMT 09/11/05 15:21:58] BradSmull-n43, fyi there is a lot of convection between 30 N and 31 N [GMT 09/11/05 15:22:42] It's basically 105 nm out from center on SW side of storm--checking /w Nav [GMT 09/11/05 15:22:56] Thx Bob [GMT 09/11/05 15:23:11] Deanna- are you receiving LF? [GMT 09/11/05 15:23:26] Brad, no I am not [GMT 09/11/05 15:23:39] IP...30 deg 24 min 77 deg 05 min [GMT 09/11/05 15:23:40] I've been receiving 1Hz just fine though [GMT 09/11/05 15:23:48] NE point....32 deg 47 min 74 deg 18 min [GMT 09/11/05 15:24:07] NW point....32 deg 47 min 77 deg 06 min [GMT 09/11/05 15:24:20] Deanna: Terry is working on it [GMT 09/11/05 15:24:24] SE, and final point of figure-4....30 deg 25 min 74 deg 20 min [GMT 09/11/05 15:24:31] thanks Brad [GMT 09/11/05 15:24:40] FYI not much echo on LF north of us right now [GMT 09/11/05 15:25:06] BradSmull-n43, you will starting in the convective zone [GMT 09/11/05 15:27:03] Understood, Bob--advised our FD. Beginning to see outermost bands on LF now [GMT 09/11/05 15:30:11] brad - now that we've crossed the beach I've lowered the LF to +2 deg elevation angle [GMT 09/11/05 15:30:45] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:31:08] Nick change: mblack -> mblack-N42 [GMT 09/11/05 15:31:48] N42 IS BACK TO ORIGINAL 1:00 PM TAKEOFF-FUELING NOW [GMT 09/11/05 15:31:58] Sounds good Dave--thx [GMT 09/11/05 15:32:20] ShuyiChen-opc (Shuyi@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:32:26] mike, during our flight briefing this morning we discussed the possibility of needing to change altitude if there is icing (our current plan is to fly at 12 kft) [GMT 09/11/05 15:32:45] if we need to descend, we'd like to come to 8 kft and have n42 go to 6 kft [GMT 09/11/05 15:33:06] mblack-N42, understand t/o is 1 pm [GMT 09/11/05 15:33:48] BradSmull-n43, be advised, we still dont have lf her [GMT 09/11/05 15:34:46] Bob, we're still working on the LF problem [GMT 09/11/05 15:34:52] We're aware Bob--Terry is troubleshooting it. HRD workstation is seeing packets, which is a good sign [GMT 09/11/05 15:42:28] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:43:19] AF C-130 just finished it's last fix; exiting storm to NW at 10kft. Next scheduled fix by AF is apparently 21 UTC [GMT 09/11/05 15:43:34] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 15:43:51] OPS : can we have the latest position for Ophelia ? [GMT 09/11/05 15:44:14] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:44:33] mblack-N42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/11/05 15:44:47] 31deg 38" 75deg 41"...that's just an unofficial estimate, not an offical one [GMT 09/11/05 15:44:49] latest fix -- 31deg35min N 75deg42min W, no movement from last fix [GMT 09/11/05 15:45:01] listen to Rob :) [GMT 09/11/05 15:45:49] thx [GMT 09/11/05 15:46:50] Ops, just so you know- Terry is focusing on LF issue [GMT 09/11/05 15:47:29] thanks Brad [GMT 09/11/05 15:48:09] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 15:49:24] BradSmull-n43, SO, should we delay NRL TO to better match 42 with LF?? [GMT 09/11/05 15:50:23] DaveJ: Ophelia center in our LF coordinates is currently near 060deg/411 km [GMT 09/11/05 15:50:29] Brad - towering cbs in the distance now visible out the front window and to our north [GMT 09/11/05 15:51:06] BradSmull-n43, Did you see our request about NRL delay?? [GMT 09/11/05 15:51:08] yep I see it [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:05] Stand by Jim [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:12] DaveJorgensen-N43, OK Dave, their TO is in 10 min so want to adjust TO if you think prudent [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:17] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:28] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:31] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:38] Tech has no ETA for satcom transmission of LF at this point... [GMT 09/11/05 15:52:39] brad that's just off the edge of the LF horizon - many short bands in between now evident on LF [GMT 09/11/05 15:53:08] Right Dave---I think eyewall is just coming into view on LF now, faintly [GMT 09/11/05 15:53:24] Brad - might be best to sync up NRL with N42 so their LF can help with NRL coordination if our LF transmission is out to lunch much longer [GMT 09/11/05 15:53:55] Brad - I'll play with the LF tilt a bit to see if I can maximize dbz in eyewall [GMT 09/11/05 15:53:58] Dave: That's problematic, because NRL can't operate long after dark, and N42 T/O is delayed to correspond w/ sat overpass [GMT 09/11/05 15:54:20] Jim: I recommend delaying NRL by 15 min [GMT 09/11/05 15:54:25] DaveJorgensen-N43, To be safe, lets delay NRL with hope of updating TO if you fix LF, OK? [GMT 09/11/05 15:54:27] OK I see [GMT 09/11/05 15:54:31] Subject to futher updates [GMT 09/11/05 15:54:49] Brad - LF shows a hint of secondary eyewall formation [GMT 09/11/05 15:55:14] I wonder if Ophelia is going through an eye cycle and will start to deepen? [GMT 09/11/05 15:56:47] Brad - Inner eye now plainly visible on LF Az is aoubt 050 range 340 km [GMT 09/11/05 15:57:22] Dave: Our last trip into Ophelia on the 9th had just such a structure, i.e. small hook-shaped "inner eye" corresponding to SLP in off toward SW side of larger "eyewall" feature [GMT 09/11/05 15:57:46] Dave, it's the outter bands getting more active since the the shear is lighten up. But, we don't have the sym inner eyewall or outer "eyewall" yet. [GMT 09/11/05 15:58:19] Brad - yep the inner eye has diameter of 40 km or so, outer ring of convection maybe 150 km dia or so [GMT 09/11/05 15:59:08] NHC Center should now be near 056deg/340 km on LF [GMT 09/11/05 15:59:13] RobRogers-n43, Can you give me Mike B. cell phone--to update NRL and 43 situation? [GMT 09/11/05 15:59:18] Brad - don't see much echo N of center yet, maybe too far away or perhaps attenuation going through inner and outer bands [GMT 09/11/05 15:59:34] Rob & Brad, if you see a clear inner eyewall edges from LF, please follow the 9 sondes option in the figure 4. [GMT 09/11/05 16:00:16] OK Shuyi--understood [GMT 09/11/05 16:01:04] BradSmull-n43, RobRogers-n43 We are delaying NRL in 15 min increments to see how LF repairs go [GMT 09/11/05 16:01:25] Thx Jim- seems prudent. No further progress report here [GMT 09/11/05 16:01:25] Brad - inner eyewall is strongest dBZ to N through E of center,, but clearly its circular eyewall [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:00] Right Dave--fairly small diameter also, say 30 km?? [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:01] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:13] Brad - yep 30-35 km dia or so [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:14] Dave: it's consistent with we see on the IR as well. [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:24] CharlieMartin-Boulder (martinc@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:36] Brad - two other weaker bands now apparent S of center [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:41] BradSmull-n43, So I need and update from you in 8 min so I can let Wen know-- [GMT 09/11/05 16:02:52] Will-do Jim [GMT 09/11/05 16:03:18] Brad - I may have to raise LF tilt a bit as we approach - the sea clutter out to 200 km is killing me! [GMT 09/11/05 16:03:34] Innermost eyewall appears open on SE side [GMT 09/11/05 16:04:00] Dave: Fine by me, tho as we do our penetrations FD may have his own preferred tilt [GMT 09/11/05 16:04:24] N43 is crossing broken outer band [GMT 09/11/05 16:04:31] OK I'll check with Marty [GMT 09/11/05 16:05:29] 50 nm at 11 minutes from our IP [GMT 09/11/05 16:05:34] Quick comment Dave - Once we get multiple AC in air, you may want to raise me on ICS with some of these "internal" issues [GMT 09/11/05 16:06:07] Drop at IP will be combo sonde/BT [GMT 09/11/05 16:06:11] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:06:50] thx, Brad. [GMT 09/11/05 16:07:09] Brad - SFMR plots pretty interesting - sfc winds have gradually climbed to ~ 30 knots [GMT 09/11/05 16:07:12] BradSmull-n43, LF status please [GMT 09/11/05 16:07:50] Jim - Terry Lynch still working on it [GMT 09/11/05 16:08:02] BradSmull-n43, [GMT 09/11/05 16:08:17] Jim: Unchanged. Tech is digging into rack that houses Windman (Chang's computer). Wish I could tell you more [GMT 09/11/05 16:08:35] BradSmull-n43, we are advising NRL to hold for another 15 min [GMT 09/11/05 16:08:50] With regret, I concur [GMT 09/11/05 16:08:59] We are delaying them in 15 min intervals till we have lf data [GMT 09/11/05 16:09:02] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:09:25] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:09:26] The absence of LF is preventing us from painting a picture of the storm to get NRL started [GMT 09/11/05 16:09:42] Totally understandable. [GMT 09/11/05 16:10:12] mblack-N42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:10:38] Nick change: mblack-N42 -> mblack-n42 [GMT 09/11/05 16:10:58] getting ready to board N42-ops normal [GMT 09/11/05 16:11:13] mblack-n42, we are so far not getting LF data from 43 [GMT 09/11/05 16:11:20] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:11:41] mblack-n42, we are holding NRL's t/o until 43 starts transmitting LF data [GMT 09/11/05 16:12:22] mblack-n42, if 43 does not start transmitting, we will have to use 42 LF to guide NRL. [GMT 09/11/05 16:13:02] mblack-n42, So we will have NRL t/o at same time as 42 [GMT 09/11/05 16:13:19] mblack-n42, NRL's ip is 29.3/74.8 [GMT 09/11/05 16:13:22] Ops- Not to rub it in, but LF is depicting beautiful rainband structure--at least thre distinct bands to SE-E-N of center [GMT 09/11/05 16:13:45] BradSmull-n43, not much help to us [GMT 09/11/05 16:14:18] Bob: The point is, operationally, NRL will certainly be "between bands" [GMT 09/11/05 16:14:25] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:14:35] Eye center is now exactly 200 km from us [GMT 09/11/05 16:14:57] 1 1/2 minutes from IP for n43 [GMT 09/11/05 16:17:45] mblack-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:17:46] dropped sone at 1616 Z, now tracking 046 deg toward center [GMT 09/11/05 16:18:45] Shuyi: Eyewall edges on this track look sharp, thus following "9-sonde" plan [GMT 09/11/05 16:18:58] yes, Brad. [GMT 09/11/05 16:19:10] This is a VERY tight eye [GMT 09/11/05 16:19:41] SST 27.7 deg at that first drop [GMT 09/11/05 16:20:11] Brad: both vis and IR indicate a small eye as well. [GMT 09/11/05 16:20:13] eye diameter of about 30-40 km [GMT 09/11/05 16:20:27] houze_ops (houze@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:21:15] Most intense dBZ returns presently on SE side of eye [GMT 09/11/05 16:21:23] south*WEST* [GMT 09/11/05 16:21:35] Brad, what I ID'ed before as outer circular eyewall is actually curved rainband that sprirals inward from the south - will probably be better defined on the N side as we go through eye [GMT 09/11/05 16:21:39] (Please don't let it be another one of THOSE days... ugh) [GMT 09/11/05 16:22:05] Dave - Yes, that was my point to Bob, a greater multiplicity of well-formed bands than we've seen before [GMT 09/11/05 16:23:19] Brad - winds now up to 59 knots 120 km from LF center [GMT 09/11/05 16:24:14] Brad - inner eye definately weaker in dBZ on SE side [GMT 09/11/05 16:24:25] 'N43 is punching a second band [GMT 09/11/05 16:24:43] FL winds spiked at 64 kt through that band [GMT 09/11/05 16:24:50] Brad&Dave, the storm seems to evolve as model inticated earlier, less shear and more symm inner and outer bands as time goes on. [GMT 09/11/05 16:24:53] . . . and the seatbelt light isn't even on! [GMT 09/11/05 16:25:20] but the model was showing an open eyewall on the north side wasn't it? [GMT 09/11/05 16:25:29] agree Shuyi [GMT 09/11/05 16:26:01] now punching the "outer" band ~100 km from center [GMT 09/11/05 16:26:12] BradSmull-n43, NRL now is delayed till 1 pm [GMT 09/11/05 16:26:15] Dave - Yes, eye appears closed, but weaker in E quadrant [GMT 09/11/05 16:27:11] winds spiking again to 60 knots - now dropping off to 50 knots on the inside edge - smells like an eyewall formation [GMT 09/11/05 16:27:14] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:27:21] Brad&Dave: N-NW (downwind side of the N-NE band) is getting more active on vis. Is that what you see on LF? [GMT 09/11/05 16:27:30] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:28:40] Shuyi - Our view of that side goes through eyewall, suffering some attenuation [GMT 09/11/05 16:28:49] Shuyi - hard to see very far to N through the inner eye, but dBZ's have definately gone up [GMT 09/11/05 16:29:11] Flight level winds now down to 45 knots! [GMT 09/11/05 16:29:38] but yes, your interpretation seems reasonable. Most intense rainband returns on our scope are to south (band we came through ~15 min ago) and also about 200 km W-SW of center [GMT 09/11/05 16:30:03] only about 20 km from outer edge of inner eyewall [GMT 09/11/05 16:30:29] Preparing for drop outside eyewall. This is another very *thick* eyewall (aka "bandwall"?) on our track [GMT 09/11/05 16:30:53] RobRogers-n43 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/11/05 16:30:54] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:31:14] OPS : NRL is going to take off at 1700UTC . Isi N42 taking off at 1700 or 1730 ? [GMT 09/11/05 16:31:26] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 16:31:45] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/11/05 16:32:28] Melicie-NRLP3, N42 is due to t/o at 1700 [GMT 09/11/05 16:32:47] Seatbelt light is on. approaching eyewall edge [GMT 09/11/05 16:33:08] OK so NRL is taking off at 1700 after N42 [GMT 09/11/05 16:33:38] Melicie-NRLP3, understood [GMT 09/11/05 16:35:03] Eyewall precip is *very* stratiform on our 040 track [GMT 09/11/05 16:37:08] Echo tops ca. 5 km for main body of precip, tho with separate anvil layer above [GMT 09/11/05 16:39:55] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:39:57] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:41:07] RobRogers-n43 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:41:23] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 16:41:43] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:43:03] RobRogers-n43, SO Rob, plkan now is to send NRL out with N42 to IP already noted. [GMT 09/11/05 16:43:06] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/11/05 16:43:18] ok Jim [GMT 09/11/05 16:43:30] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:43:38] RobRogers-n43, Question is if 43 is prepared to provide waypoints for research legs once [GMT 09/11/05 16:44:00] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 16:44:02] they are in the area? [GMT 09/11/05 16:44:46] sst on the SW eyewall was 23 C [GMT 09/11/05 16:44:55] RobRogers-n43, you mean 42? [GMT 09/11/05 16:45:25] what do you mean bob? [GMT 09/11/05 16:45:48] RobRogers-n43, I don't understand your question about way points [GMT 09/11/05 16:45:51] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:00] i think that was jim's question right? [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:08] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:13] OK--got it [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:20] ok [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:21] disregard my question [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:26] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:46:27] ok [GMT 09/11/05 16:47:22] RobRogers-n43, OK ROb, question is if you on 43 can provide points to NRL [GMT 09/11/05 16:47:29] once they are in the area [GMT 09/11/05 16:47:49] I think that's doable, Jim [GMT 09/11/05 16:47:56] jim -- sure we can do that [GMT 09/11/05 16:48:20] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:48:20] what time is NRL's t/o? [GMT 09/11/05 16:48:22] RobRogers-n43, Our hopweis that we will be getting images from 42 but working with [GMT 09/11/05 16:48:32] you will be the best plan--I think [GMT 09/11/05 16:49:12] RobRogers-n43, They are going with N42, now at 1315 LT [GMT 09/11/05 16:49:35] ok thx jim [GMT 09/11/05 16:50:24] NRL t/o is 1700UTC [GMT 09/11/05 16:50:35] BradSmull-n43, Is there any progess on the LF transmission fix [GMT 09/11/05 16:52:21] Bob: Seat belt light is on so progress is limited until we get to our downwind leg... [GMT 09/11/05 16:52:24] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:53:03] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:53:39] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:53:50] RobRogers-n43, BradSmull-n43 Situation update is that N42 is delayed so we are planning to send NRL [GMT 09/11/05 16:54:29] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 16:54:42] your way and you will need to direct them. Their IP is 29.3--74.8 [GMT 09/11/05 16:55:23] RobRogers-n43, This is on rhe SE side of the storm outside edge of convection [GMT 09/11/05 16:56:55] ok jim [GMT 09/11/05 16:57:07] Ops: Dave, Rob and I have agreed on a target for NRL. It is an "intermediate" band on the E side that is still relatively isolated [GMT 09/11/05 16:57:35] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:57:44] Sound good, Brad. [GMT 09/11/05 16:57:52] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:57:55] A point on the outside of that band for NRL to track N to would be: 30 deg 10 min 72 deg 55 min [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:14] Nick change: mblack -> mblack-n42 [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:23] Ops- I don't have good visualisation of what NRL would encounter S of there on their way in--can you advise? [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:23] OPS: could you compress the image you want us to get (191K is way too big) [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:46] Shuyi/Ops: Please examine my point relative to satellite and comment. [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:53] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 16:58:56] n42 continuing pre-flight check-maybe ops normal [GMT 09/11/05 16:59:03] Brad: will do. [GMT 09/11/05 16:59:08] NNote to NRL: So far we haven't hit any rough air anywhere... [GMT 09/11/05 16:59:19] OPS, N43 we have been disconnected for a while could you tell us what you are talking about (since 16:50) ? [GMT 09/11/05 16:59:28] melicie, working on it now [GMT 09/11/05 17:00:48] melicie, N43 is still trying to work on the LF issue but is limited because they're strapped in [GMT 09/11/05 17:00:50] N42 taxing out- will rejoin after takeoff [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:00] we're currently working on getting new images to you with the proposed flight plan [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:07] Ops: As soon as we come into clear, Terry is going to re-start our network [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:13] Thus we will all drop off, hopefully temporarily [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:18] and i will shrink them down to be better uploaded [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:47] Brad: is the restart related to the LF transmission problem? [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:48] sounds like progress is being made on lf [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:55] bob: yes [GMT 09/11/05 17:01:58] Tech thinks re-boot of network will now fix our problem [GMT 09/11/05 17:02:14] Brad: fingers are crossed here [GMT 09/11/05 17:02:14] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:02:19] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:03:41] N43 turning to track 271 on downwind leg [GMT 09/11/05 17:04:01] Will now be re-booting network [GMT 09/11/05 17:04:14] mblack-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:06:46] carswell (carswell@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:07:29] RAINEXGUEST (rainex@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:07:42] RobRogers-n43 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:07:55] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:08:22] Nick change: RAINEXGUEST -> mikestrong-tampa [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:26] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:31] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:37] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:38] BradSmull-n43, suggest that upon completion of fig 4 that you pick a rainband and circumnavigate it while NRL is ferrying out [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:50] OPS: just want to confirm way points 29.3/74.8 30.15/72.9 [GMT 09/11/05 17:09:57] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 17:11:09] Melicie-NRLP3, the first point is your IP [GMT 09/11/05 17:11:31] Ok Bob [GMT 09/11/05 17:11:35] Bob as you may know, it appears a network switch went south on N43. This switch feeds the LF data to the server responsible for processing and transmitting the LF data off the aircraft. Terry has brought the network down to fix it. [GMT 09/11/05 17:11:52] Hope to have things up soon. [GMT 09/11/05 17:12:10] melicie, have you been able to download the 1706 image i put on the website? [GMT 09/11/05 17:12:16] it's down to 44k, should be more manageable [GMT 09/11/05 17:12:27] carswell, thanks, Jim. We are keeping fingers crossed. [GMT 09/11/05 17:12:43] jose_boulder (meitin@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:13:09] Will send an update in five minutes or so if the problem persist. [GMT 09/11/05 17:13:20] still in the orther_images directory Deanna ? [GMT 09/11/05 17:13:33] yes, in the other_images [GMT 09/11/05 17:14:18] carswell, thanks [GMT 09/11/05 17:15:02] Deanna: I am trying to open it now [GMT 09/11/05 17:15:18] N42, your 1Hz stream has been out for 2 minutes [GMT 09/11/05 17:15:29] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:15:32] nevermind, restarted [GMT 09/11/05 17:15:37] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:16:42] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:16:44] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:17:12] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 17:17:42] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:18:23] Melicie-NRLP3, I try to give you the approximate locations of 42 and 43 every 10 minutes or so [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:10] n43_RAMS (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:22] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:23] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:24] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:24] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:20:35] jose_boulder, please join &spol [GMT 09/11/05 17:21:05] science3-nrlp3_ (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:21:16] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:21:51] Nick change: science3-nrlp3_ -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 17:23:12] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/11/05 17:23:20] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1723: 42: 28.0/81.9, 43: 32.6/75.1, but last contact with 43 was 1705, heading westward [GMT 09/11/05 17:23:37] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:24:13] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:24:25] Melicie-NRLP3, I will plan on giving you their locations every 10 minutes or so, as long as you are on chat. [GMT 09/11/05 17:25:29] Deanna : I am still trying to download the image, Iridium was down [GMT 09/11/05 17:25:41] melicie, just let me know if you get it ok [GMT 09/11/05 17:26:11] thx Jasmine [GMT 09/11/05 17:26:19] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:26:36] MarkBradford-home (mark@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:27:11] OK Deanna [GMT 09/11/05 17:27:29] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:27:42] receiving 1hz fine for N42 and N43, still no LF for either [GMT 09/11/05 17:28:26] Deanna : got the image, so red line is 43 and blue one is NRL right ? [GMT 09/11/05 17:28:57] red line is 43, blue line is NRL's proposed flight track [GMT 09/11/05 17:29:10] we had to cut off the sides to make the image a smaller size, sorry [GMT 09/11/05 17:29:20] N42 took off at 1711 UTC-turning on radar now [GMT 09/11/05 17:29:41] Deanna : OK, are you going to send these images on a regular basis ? [GMT 09/11/05 17:30:10] no, i won't unless absolutely necessary...it'll mess up your comms too much [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:08] n43_RAMS_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:08] OK Deanna [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:23] DaveJorgensen-N43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:34] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:46] Deanna-ops, are you seeing the 1hz from 43? [GMT 09/11/05 17:31:56] mblack, N42's 1hz has stopped for 2 minues [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:15] n43_rams, yes we are receiving the 1hz data but still no LF [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:33] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:45] DaveJorgensen-N43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:45] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:45] n43_RAMS (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:32:49] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:33:48] ok thnx... still working on the lf [GMT 09/11/05 17:33:54] N42, we've started to get the LF feed! [GMT 09/11/05 17:34:04] and 1hz has restarted as well [GMT 09/11/05 17:34:18] jose_boulder (meitin@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left &RAINEX (Leaving). [GMT 09/11/05 17:34:30] jose_boulder (meitin@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:35:23] n43_RAMS__ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:35:31] DaveJorgensen-NOAA43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:36:13] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:36:45] DaveJorgensen-N43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:36:48] n43_RAMS_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:36:49] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:37:24] Melicie-NRLP3, please re-state the IP you are flying to [GMT 09/11/05 17:37:55] bob:29.3 74.8 [GMT 09/11/05 17:38:05] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1737: 42: 28.1/80.6-- 43: 32.6/77.2 [GMT 09/11/05 17:38:52] thx Jasmine [GMT 09/11/05 17:39:50] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:40:45] DaveJorgensen-NOAA43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:46:02] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:46:06] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:46:10] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:47:00] science3-nrlp3_ (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:47:11] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1747 42: 28.5/80.2-- 43: 32.1/76.7 [GMT 09/11/05 17:47:52] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:09] Nick change: mblack -> mblack-N42 [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:14] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:29] Nick change: science3-nrlp3_ -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:33] Ops- We are back. LF datea should follow shortly [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:45] Current position 32 deg 02min 76 deg 37min tracking 140 [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:54] BradSmull-n43, good [GMT 09/11/05 17:48:56] Penetrating rainband [GMT 09/11/05 17:49:11] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:49:38] Nick change: N43-Sta2 -> RRogers-n43 [GMT 09/11/05 17:50:08] Ops: We will orbit in the eye if necessary to allow Terry to get up to complete work-around on LF packet trasnsmissoin [GMT 09/11/05 17:50:12] ok we're back [GMT 09/11/05 17:50:19] terry thinks he's got the LF transmission solved [GMT 09/11/05 17:50:20] What is NRL's current position? [GMT 09/11/05 17:50:53] NRL is at 29.5/79.7 [GMT 09/11/05 17:51:41] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:51:41] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:35] Rob: NRL from our position is 229deg/400 km [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:40] mblack-N42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:45] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:48] we're receiving LF from 43! [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:49] BobHouze-Ops, data should be flowing now. Coming over inmarsat for n43. [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:52] ok [GMT 09/11/05 17:52:58] great [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:01] Deanna-ops, seeing lf from 43 at ops center? [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:06] science3-nrlp3_ (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:09] yes terry, we are [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:22] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:40] BradSmull-n43 (smull@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:53:42] carswell, yes we are getting it. will make images in about 2 minuts [GMT 09/11/05 17:54:19] Ops - Are you still planning on working NRL/43 on band(s) in E/NE sector? [GMT 09/11/05 17:54:20] Nick change: science3-nrlp3_ -> Melicie-NRLP3 [GMT 09/11/05 17:54:20] OPS: Iridium dropped again until 1754, anything new for us ? [GMT 09/11/05 17:54:34] BradSmull-n43, yes that is the plan [GMT 09/11/05 17:54:34] BobHouze-Ops, great. Terry had to bypass a failed network switch by running a patch cable. [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:05] BradSmull-n43, region looks good on IR, but we can't see individual bands [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:11] It's "chewing gum and baling wire", but Terry did a GREAT job given how much we've been strapped in [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:13] bruning-Tampa (bruning@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:24] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:42] Ops: On balance, our recommendation is to keep NRL on *outside* of bands. However one caveat [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:43] Rainex ops.... y'all owe Jim Carswell a HUGE thanks for helping me troubleshoot the lf issues on 43. His expertice allowed us to pinpoint the problem and comeup with a work around. He freely gave up his Sunday afternoon to do this on his own time. Thanks Jim! [GMT 09/11/05 17:55:45] BradSmull-n43, n43_RAMS__ We appreciate the effort greatly [GMT 09/11/05 17:56:15] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1756are: 42: 28.6/79.7- 43: 31.6/76.2 [GMT 09/11/05 17:56:18] carswell, Jim: many thanks [GMT 09/11/05 17:57:17] When they get W of 74deg30min or so, there are some intense broken cells to the north of the band whos north edge is near 32.8 [GMT 09/11/05 17:57:24] thx Jasmine [GMT 09/11/05 17:57:31] Glad to help out. I am now viewing real-time LF displays from my kitchen as if I was on both aircraft at the same time. Enjoy the day, I am sure their will be some great data collected today. [GMT 09/11/05 17:57:48] Interior bands are very closely spaced and appear hard to work. We on N43 can update points for NRL in next few min if you like [GMT 09/11/05 17:58:04] Action: carswell is away: I'm here but cannot see you. [GMT 09/11/05 17:58:09] N43 is in eye, doing center-search manuevers [GMT 09/11/05 17:58:54] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 17:59:08] Ops - Any feedback? [GMT 09/11/05 17:59:21] BradSmull-n43, feedback: [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:00] BradSmull-n43, we are thinking of having you work having [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:02] Yes Brad that would be great [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:29] you come N'bound in the narrow gap between the two bands on the east side [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:36] would that work? [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:43] Understood--yes, with NRL on the outside? [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:53] NRL is a long way off yet [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:56] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:00:58] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:01:10] Time goes fast up here... we need to be planning ahead, in my opinion [GMT 09/11/05 18:01:51] Melicie-NRLP3, do you have an ETA to your initial point? [GMT 09/11/05 18:02:08] Stand by Jasmine [GMT 09/11/05 18:02:13] Based on our impressions during initial NE-sector work, outside was cleanest. A point near 30 deg 10 min 72 deg 55 min was close, but I wasn't confident what they would encounter coming into that point from the south [GMT 09/11/05 18:02:43] BradSmull-n43, we think you should work Nbound for a leg before NRL getst to their IP [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:06] BradSmull-n43, you would go Nbound on one side of the band and then Sbound the other side, timed to get back to S end same time as NRL [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:26] BradSmull-n43, you would pick which side you want to go N'bound [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:32] Jasmine ETA to IP is 1839 [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:36] N42, your 1hz has been out for two minutes [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:55] Bob: The father W/NW (counterclockwise) around NRL goes, the more complex/gunky things get. [GMT 09/11/05 18:04:56] N42, restarted thanks [GMT 09/11/05 18:05:01] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 18:05:14] Melicie-NRLP3, thanks. [GMT 09/11/05 18:05:24] At this point, we recommend not brining them any farther W/NW than about 32deg 10 min 74 deg 45 min [GMT 09/11/05 18:05:26] Nick change: n43_RAMS__ -> terry-43 [GMT 09/11/05 18:05:33] BradSmull-n43, you will map out the course on your legs N and S bound before they arrive [GMT 09/11/05 18:06:04] NRL: What is your position? [GMT 09/11/05 18:06:07] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1805 are: 42: 28.7/79.9-- 43: 31.1/75.6 [GMT 09/11/05 18:07:05] From our vantage point it looks like NRL would be more in the clear [GMT 09/11/05 18:08:14] NRL postion is: 29.3/77.8 [GMT 09/11/05 18:08:25] NRL is at 29.3 78.0 [GMT 09/11/05 18:08:31] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:08:59] Melicie-NRLP3, adjust IP to 29.7/76 [GMT 09/11/05 18:09:12] Melicie-NRLP3, that will take you inside the outer convective band [GMT 09/11/05 18:09:36] thx Bob [GMT 09/11/05 18:09:37] BradSmull-n43, are you about to go N'bond [GMT 09/11/05 18:09:53] When do we start the dropsondes ? [GMT 09/11/05 18:09:56] we're still 13 min from the end of our outbound leg [GMT 09/11/05 18:10:15] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:10:24] Melicie-NRLP3, first dropsonde will be dropped at the first IP [GMT 09/11/05 18:10:33] RRogers-n43, ok rob--after that, will you start a n'bound along lne track? [GMT 09/11/05 18:10:46] Ok Jasmine [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:01] yes we are going to do that [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:21] N42, your 1hz has been nout for two minutes....lf has been out for 1 minute [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:24] we were planning to go downwind along that band on the outside, then for the upwind part come in on the inside of the band [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:28] how does that sound? [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:36] OPS : after IP we go to 30.15 72.9, correct ? [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:37] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:55] RRogers-n43, BradSmull-n43, we are trying to bring NRL on the inside of the outer convective band that you should see about 60-70 miles straight ahead of you [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:56] Ops: Good point for NRL to intercept band of interest is at: 29 deg 35min 75 deg 21 min [GMT 09/11/05 18:11:57] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:12:23] N42, 1hz has restarted, still no LF [GMT 09/11/05 18:12:32] OH, understood Bob--the point I just gave you was *outside* of that band [GMT 09/11/05 18:13:04] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:13:14] BradSmull-n43, the IP we gave them is 29.7/76 [GMT 09/11/05 18:13:28] Bob: We like the plan. The goal will be to get N43 safely outside band and march NE'ward in rough sync w/ NRL [GMT 09/11/05 18:14:35] BradSmull-n43, your route should take you to 31.0/75.0 [GMT 09/11/05 18:14:55] N42, still not receiving LF [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:14] BradSmull-n43, disregard last message [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:20] go on either side n'bound [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:39] OPS-ok we're checking [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:46] Your point for NRL looks good to us, Bob [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:50] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 18:15:53] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 18:16:00] N42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:16:03] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/11/05 18:16:21] N42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/11/05 18:18:10] BradSmull-n43, Once NRL is in the area, we will bring NRL inside of convective outer band and curving into NE quadrant and then reversing track while 43 works the inside [GMT 09/11/05 18:18:54] Bob: We are going to interrupt our SE-bound track to get E of line via a break in the line near 30deg 27min 74 deg 20 min [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:07] Melicie-NRLP3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:11] Melicie-NRLP3, NOAA locations at 1815 are: 42: 28.3/77.8-- 43: 30.6/75.0 [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:17] so at that point both NOAA and NRL will be inside the band, right? [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:18] We will go (briefly) upwind as necessary to await NRL's arrival, then reverse to track NEward in tandeh with them: NRL on inside, N43 on outside [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:32] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:36] EldoraOp-P3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:39] OPS/43 Iridium dropped again, where do you want NRL to go after IP ? ? [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:42] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:49] Also what is the interval for the drops ? [GMT 09/11/05 18:19:50] Nick change: mblack -> mblack-N42 [GMT 09/11/05 18:20:07] BradSmull-n43, that's the wrong band [GMT 09/11/05 18:20:13] We want to work the inside band [GMT 09/11/05 18:20:54] Your track would take you across 31.and 75 [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:02] Bob: Dave Jorgensn notes outer band is stronger [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:06] inner band is broken, ill-defined [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:22] BradSmull-n43, we aren't looking for convection [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:37] mblack, any word on the LF status? [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:41] Melicie: drop one at the IP and follow the three sondes pattern. [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:42] Brad we want to understand the band(s) closest to the ey [GMT 09/11/05 18:21:52] Ops, after the first drop at IP, what's next [GMT 09/11/05 18:22:15] N42 is dropping test sonde in far outer band coming up-150 nmi Sw of ctr [GMT 09/11/05 18:22:34] Ok Shuyi [GMT 09/11/05 18:22:52] Melicie: the next point after the IP is 30.4/74.7. [GMT 09/11/05 18:23:06] Ops, is the second point 29 35/75 21 the northern point of this leg? [GMT 09/11/05 18:23:40] Opa - We are reversing track. Inner band you want to work is ill defined in our view [GMT 09/11/05 18:24:10] mblack, LF is flowing now thanks! [GMT 09/11/05 18:24:19] DickDirks (dirks2@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/11/05 18:24:29] OK Shuyi [GMT 09/11/05 18:25:10] NRL: What is your positoin & track? [GMT 09/11/05 18:25:35] BradSmull-n43, the track we had in mind is 30.5/75.2--30.9/74.9 [GMT 09/11/05 18:25:58] 31.3/74.8--31.8/75.1--31.9/75.6 [GMT 09/11/05 18:26:03] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/11/05 18:26:49] BradSmull-n43, we are basing this on the 1820 UTC LF data from 43 [GMT 09/11/05 18:26:52] NRL is at 29.5 76.3 headin 80 [GMT 09/11/05 18:27:06] NRL next point is 30.4 74.7 [GMT 09/11/05 18:27:45] BradSmull-n43, the band will be on your right on the curved path that I gave you [GMT 09/11/05 18:27:59] OPS what is the next point after that ? [GMT 09/11/05 18:28:08] standby melicie, they'll have it for you in a minute [GMT 09/11/05 18:28:39]