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[GMT 09/22/05 12:52:20] I'll take Guinness.., you can have the radar's.. :) [GMT 09/22/05 12:52:39] lol [GMT 09/22/05 12:52:48] sorry, laughing out loud [GMT 09/22/05 12:52:49] :) [GMT 09/22/05 12:52:59] N43 is about ready to go [GMT 09/22/05 12:54:38] N43 engine start [GMT 09/22/05 13:04:08] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:05:56] Rob - are you online?? [GMT 09/22/05 13:06:09] hi dave yes I am thanks again [GMT 09/22/05 13:06:38] super!!! I'm not sure why the port number () I put in originally didn't work [GMT 09/22/05 13:06:53] yeah I don't know that was weird [GMT 09/22/05 13:09:55] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:09:56] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:10:03] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:12:35] JimMoore (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:20:02] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:21:19] We are now receiving both 1Hz and LF data from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 13:24:36] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:24:37] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:32:02] Nick change: mblack -> mblack-aoc [GMT 09/22/05 13:32:25] 42 is back from 2nd functional-awaiting word on status [GMT 09/22/05 13:35:00] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:36:02] terry-n43, both data streams are again being received in the Ops center, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 13:36:14] cool! [GMT 09/22/05 13:36:24] sorry about that... G* dumped [GMT 09/22/05 13:38:16] terry-n43, are there any plans to raise the tilt on the lf a bit? [GMT 09/22/05 13:38:35] we're seeing some beautiful ground/sea clutter here [GMT 09/22/05 13:40:20] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:40:41] MelicieDesflots-RSMAS (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:41:27] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:41:56] MelicieDesflots-RSMAS (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 13:42:01] MelicieDesflots-RSMAS (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:42:12] Nick change: MelicieDesflots-RSMAS -> Melicie-Ops [GMT 09/22/05 13:43:19] GordonFarquharson-Boulder (gordonf@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:47:45] terry-n43_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:47:57] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:48:05] getting data again? [GMT 09/22/05 13:48:15] stopped for a few [GMT 09/22/05 13:48:28] terry-n43, yes we are, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 13:48:30] DaveJorgensen-n43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:49:05] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:49:21] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:49:29] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 13:52:08] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 13:52:37] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:54:43] Looks like a GO for N42- takeoff planned for 11:30 EDT [GMT 09/22/05 13:55:06] that's great Mike [GMT 09/22/05 13:55:52] BobHouze-Ops (houze@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:56:33] Terry and Rob: We have mostly channel 16 AXBTS with us like you do on N43- will need to coordinate drops-interference occurs only if we are within 20 nmi of each other [GMT 09/22/05 13:57:12] Bob: 42 is a go for 11:30 AM EDT takeoff [GMT 09/22/05 13:57:28] mblack-aoc, Thx Mike. Understood. [GMT 09/22/05 13:57:49] ok mike thx [GMT 09/22/05 13:57:53] i've passed that on to Eric [GMT 09/22/05 13:58:12] Rob: Did you get X-chat on the Mac laptop? [GMT 09/22/05 13:58:19] yes [GMT 09/22/05 13:58:43] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 13:59:35] Nick change: N43-Sta2 -> ericu_43 [GMT 09/22/05 13:59:59] Rita is still very impressive on hi-res vis sat images- eyewall contracting-although pressure is now 907 and eye is filled with clouds- a sure sign that Rita is past its peak [GMT 09/22/05 14:00:58] N42 will try 5000 ft radar- will likely be in cloud in the eye [GMT 09/22/05 14:01:29] mblack-aoc, thanks for those comments & the info on 42's plan [GMT 09/22/05 14:01:52] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:02:40] mblack-aoc, we are playing a loop of the high res vis data and don't see the contraction. are we missing something? [GMT 09/22/05 14:02:59] Ops - Eye center dimly visible on LF at 200 nm range - indications of double eye with inner eye half opened [GMT 09/22/05 14:03:09] opened to the S [GMT 09/22/05 14:05:07] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 14:07:11] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:08:27] Ops - Outer eye diameter about 50 nm inner eye perhap 15 nm [GMT 09/22/05 14:08:30] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, what range do you see the eye? It's not even close on our image [GMT 09/22/05 14:08:37] Jcowan-Jeffco (jcowan@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:08:46] bob - it's about 160 nm out now [GMT 09/22/05 14:09:03] Ops - range to inner eye center about 160 nm [GMT 09/22/05 14:09:04] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, ok...just checking [GMT 09/22/05 14:09:06] and we're at TS-force surface winds now [GMT 09/22/05 14:10:18] ok, does paul have the 1hz data running on the laptop downstairs so you can look at sfmr ? [GMT 09/22/05 14:11:02] Bob: [GMT 09/22/05 14:11:06] sorry... meant for antoher chat channel... [GMT 09/22/05 14:11:28] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:12:41] Bob: I am looking at the hi-res loop from RAMSDIS-csu- eye seems to be contrating and is elliptical- latest vortex msg shows 20 by 16 nmi diameter [GMT 09/22/05 14:13:04] Ops--can we get an approximate update on the center of Rita and an approximate update on where we should try and enter the storm when you have that? [GMT 09/22/05 14:14:29] Jasmine-nrlp3, the approximate center is 25.3, 88.5 [GMT 09/22/05 14:14:39] Jasmine-nrlp3, have you received the I.P. for NRL? [GMT 09/22/05 14:14:42] Jasmine-nrlp3, I gave Wen-Chau the IP 25.8/87.5 [GMT 09/22/05 14:14:44] Ops - from LF the eye center is 140 degrees from N43 at 145 nm our position 26.61N 86.51W [GMT 09/22/05 14:14:47] jemmett-tampa (rainex@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:15:11] Rob and Eric: P. Black is sending someone up to MacDill today to bring more Sippican AXBTs- we only have a few left here for tomorrow's flights [GMT 09/22/05 14:15:28] Deanna-ops-- yes, we got the IP [GMT 09/22/05 14:15:34] Thanks for the center [GMT 09/22/05 14:15:37] Ops - correction azimuth from N43 to eye center is 235 degrees [GMT 09/22/05 14:15:47] ok mike [GMT 09/22/05 14:16:22] science2-nrlp3 (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:16:43] Dave or Ops: Can I get the URL to look at the LF-flight track plots while on N42 today? [GMT 09/22/05 14:16:51] Nick change: science2-nrlp3 -> BradSmull-NRL [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:12] Jasmine-nrlp3, We would suggest you follow 43's track to enter the storm maybe getting west of 86 - 86.5 then heading south to the IP. [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:13] terry-n43_, we have lost the LF data stream down in Ops. [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:17] Mike try http:///NRL/nrl_images/latest.png [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:31] ericu_43 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:47] ok, i'll look at it [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:48] ok, but we can't see 43's track, so can you upload an image of that? [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:56] terry-n43_, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:58] seems ok from up here [GMT 09/22/05 14:17:59] images are usually updated every 10 minutes starting at 12 minutes after the hour [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:08] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, RobRogers-NOAA43 how was the turbulence crossing the outer convective band? Are there plenty of breaks in the line? [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:20] mblack-aoc, there are also some xdumps at http:///NRL/other_images that might interest you [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:22] i show 3 packets went out at 14:18:xx [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:28] yes, many breaks [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:35] Channel flood from DaveJorgensen-n43rf -- kicking [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:35] turbulence wasn't too bad [GMT 09/22/05 14:18:35] DaveJorgensen-n43rf kicked from &RAINEX by NCAR_EOL_RDCC: flood [GMT 09/22/05 14:19:23] terry-n43_, hmmm, okay, we received the last data at 14:15 [GMT 09/22/05 14:19:26] Dave:Thanks-the URL is good [GMT 09/22/05 14:19:35] Jasmine-nrlp3, 43 reports plent [GMT 09/22/05 14:19:38] Ops--we can probably figure out the track on the next composite image [GMT 09/22/05 14:19:44] I'll let you know [GMT 09/22/05 14:20:18] marks-hrd (marks@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:06] Rob and Ops: N42 has a tentative takeoff planned for 11 AM EDT tomorrow [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:14] NRL is taxiing [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:15] any radar data now? [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:26] terry-n43_, we have LF data again, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:28] ok mike [GMT 09/22/05 14:21:58] cool! [GMT 09/22/05 14:22:04] 1 hz never stopped, right? [GMT 09/22/05 14:22:07] frank, can you go to #hrd? [GMT 09/22/05 14:22:08] terry-n43_, right [GMT 09/22/05 14:22:29] Nick change: JimMoore -> JimMoore-Ops [GMT 09/22/05 14:22:42] Jasmine-nrlp3, don't taxi... take the bus... it's cheaper [GMT 09/22/05 14:23:48] StacyBrodzik-Ops, JimMoore-Ops: will you join &ops? [GMT 09/22/05 14:23:51] Jasmine-nrlp3, 43 reported lots of breaks on their track out - We see a break if you tack roughly 260 to about 85.5 or 86 degrees longitude. [GMT 09/22/05 14:25:16] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 14:25:20] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 14:25:45] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 14:26:26] DaveJorgensen-n43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:26:47] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:27:02] n43 just passed IP now inbound 100 nm from eye center [GMT 09/22/05 14:27:21] pavel-jeffco (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:28:22] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 14:30:17] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:30:49] BobHouze-Ops-- Iridium dropped for a second, were you trying to say something earlier? [GMT 09/22/05 14:31:35] NRL has taken off! [GMT 09/22/05 14:31:38] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:32:04] Jasmine-nrlp3, 43 reported lots of breaks on their track out - We see a break if you tack roughly 260 to about 85.5 or 86 degrees longitude. [GMT 09/22/05 14:32:18] Ops - passed thorugh outer band near 26.22 87.55 broken convection only about 100 nm NE of eye center [GMT 09/22/05 14:33:22] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, Thanks for the report. [GMT 09/22/05 14:33:47] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, we got it. [GMT 09/22/05 14:34:19] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:34:47] Ops - inner eye circular but strongest dbz on NE side perhaps 15 nm in diameter [GMT 09/22/05 14:34:56] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:35:28] Ops - outer eye perhaps 50 nm diameter - and open to SW side [GMT 09/22/05 14:36:04] Thx Dave--very helpful guidance [GMT 09/22/05 14:36:08] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, any notice of a 2ndary wind max [GMT 09/22/05 14:36:15] Ops - large spiral band enters outer eye on NW side [GMT 09/22/05 14:36:18] not yet [GMT 09/22/05 14:36:47] Flight level winds now 85 knots about 50 nm from eye center [GMT 09/22/05 14:37:30] WInd profile has been pretty flat for last 15 min or so [GMT 09/22/05 14:38:17] i.e. overall circulation remains quite large [GMT 09/22/05 14:38:27] just dropped HRD sonde/BT combo [GMT 09/22/05 14:40:05] Ops - wind sharply increasing now 100 knots [GMT 09/22/05 14:40:45] RobRogers-NOAA43, Good morning Rob, What are the plans for supplemental rainex drops on 43? [GMT 09/22/05 14:41:27] hi jim, standby may be making one now in this outer eyewall about 30 nm from center.... [GMT 09/22/05 14:41:40] The G_IV just reported that there is a lot of dry air ahead of Rita- to the W and NW [GMT 09/22/05 14:41:59] Mike Bell and I headed to N42-will chat after takeoff [GMT 09/22/05 14:42:28] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:42:47] no secondary wind max [GMT 09/22/05 14:43:00] so no RAINEX drop [GMT 09/22/05 14:43:02] Ops - no sign of wind peak in this "outer" eyewall - I don't think this is an eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 14:43:13] FL winds stayed constant at 100 kt [GMT 09/22/05 14:43:35] Ops - this band is very stratiform with only a few embedded cells [GMT 09/22/05 14:43:35] mblack-aoc (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:12] Ops - now entering the true "eyewall" [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:19] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, RobRogers-NOAA43 So outside this band you guys saw a gradient bringing winds up to 100 kts but now its flat across th band? [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:30] yep [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:31] RobRogers-NOAA43, OK Rob, Will there be a rainex sonde in the main eyewall or is that covered in the tasking? [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:44] greg -- yeah it was a steady climb up to 100 kt [GMT 09/22/05 14:44:59] RobRogers-NOAA43, Thx Rob. [GMT 09/22/05 14:45:06] there will be an nhc drop at the surface wind max and a RAINEX drop at the flight-level wind max (i.e. in the center of the eyewall) [GMT 09/22/05 14:45:34] RobRogers-NOAA43, Excellent, thanks [GMT 09/22/05 14:45:41] now FL winds shooting up past 130 kt as we enter "real" eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 14:46:29] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- howdy there. We're getting the composite images up here just fine. And with color! :-) [GMT 09/22/05 14:47:03] Ops - very smooth eyewall penetration compared to yesterday [GMT 09/22/05 14:47:26] Jasmine-nrlp3, that's great news; if you get closer to the 43 you'll actually get some useful info too [GMT 09/22/05 14:47:27] JimMoore-Ops (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left &RAINEX (Leaving). [GMT 09/22/05 14:47:34] glad to hear that... the color was no extra charge :) [GMT 09/22/05 14:48:10] JimMoore-Ops (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:48:26] BobHouze-Ops-- GregStossmeister-Ops--what is our dropsonde stragety for today? [GMT 09/22/05 14:48:42] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- ok, we'll try! :-) [GMT 09/22/05 14:49:02] terry-n43_-- thanks. [GMT 09/22/05 14:49:05] Jasmine-nrlp3, Hey from uncle jim--stanby on the drops [GMT 09/22/05 14:49:17] Jasmine-nrlp3, what exactly is a "stragety"?? :-) [GMT 09/22/05 14:49:46] JimMoore-Ops-- ok, will do. Thanks Uncle Jim [GMT 09/22/05 14:50:14] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- you don't know what a stragety is? ;-) Niether do I... [GMT 09/22/05 14:50:35] ETA to our IP is very approximately 1 hour [GMT 09/22/05 14:50:52] Airborne strageties are very complex things... [GMT 09/22/05 14:51:07] Jasmine-nrlp3, OK lighten up--just trying to be responsive [GMT 09/22/05 14:51:48] JimMoore-Ops-- you know me, always uptight [GMT 09/22/05 14:51:53] Jasmine-nrlp3, So back to the drops-- every 7 minutes on the downwind (blue) legs from the [GMT 09/22/05 14:51:58] Jim--for the next mission we'll put RSMAS on a shaking-stand platform so that we're equals ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 14:52:11] flight plan sent by Bob-- No drops on the red transition legs [GMT 09/22/05 14:52:18] Ops - eye fix 1450 Z 25.25N 88.63W 909 mb extrapolated sfc pressure [GMT 09/22/05 14:52:20] JimMoore-Ops-- ok, copy that [GMT 09/22/05 14:52:48] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL We'd like to adjust your IP now that we've seen the bands 43s LF. Your new IP should be 25.6/88.0 [GMT 09/22/05 14:53:27] Ops - no secondary wind max - just a single eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 14:53:50] Jasmine-nrlp3, This not to be confused with the red and the blue states!! [GMT 09/22/05 14:53:55] Understood Greg [GMT 09/22/05 14:53:57] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL The new IP should bring you just outside the band that 43 passed before reaching the eyewall. [GMT 09/22/05 14:54:34] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, thanks for the info!! [GMT 09/22/05 14:54:41] JimMoore-Ops-- how did I know you were going to say that... [GMT 09/22/05 14:55:04] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, Thanks -We understand no secondary wind max. [GMT 09/22/05 14:55:15] Hey, this is a mesoscale experiment--we're talking blue/red *counties* [GMT 09/22/05 14:55:53] Ops - bout to penetrate SW eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 14:56:10] BradSmull-NRL, Only seems to be an issue in Washington State these days! [GMT 09/22/05 14:56:12] inner eyewall open on SE side [GMT 09/22/05 14:56:21] NRL entering far NE rainband [GMT 09/22/05 14:56:38] still impressive-looking eye, good stadium, some more low-level clouds [GMT 09/22/05 14:56:39] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 Just to make sure we are all clear on the plan when you reach the IP and have band in sight we'll want you to start first upwind for approx 60 nm then reverse track and go downwind. Are we on the same page? [GMT 09/22/05 14:57:13] GregStossmeister-Ops-- yes, we were just discussing that [GMT 09/22/05 14:57:45] GregStossmeister-Ops, thanks for the "broad brush"--very helpful [GMT 09/22/05 14:57:58] ericloew-ncar (ericloew@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 14:58:06] BradSmull-NRL, No problem. [GMT 09/22/05 14:58:12] JimMoore-Ops--just to triple check, no drops on the upwind legs, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 14:59:06] 2nd rainex drop away, in SW eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 14:59:41] Jasmine-nrlp3, Downwind legs only- 7 min spacing -- right you are [GMT 09/22/05 14:59:55] Ops - max flight level winds in SW eyewall only 115 knots [GMT 09/22/05 15:00:12] JimMoore-Ops-- thanks, can't hurt to be sure. That's what we'll do! [GMT 09/22/05 15:01:28] Jasmine-nrlp3, Correct, until Shuyi adjusts :-) (I just learned how to make the face!! [GMT 09/22/05 15:02:23] Ops - that "outer eyewall" is actual a spiral band that connects to that big spiral that NRL is working [GMT 09/22/05 15:02:37] Ops - center dropsonde sfc pressure 913 mb [GMT 09/22/05 15:03:36] Ops - we're going through that band right now, very smooth ride and very stratiform on the TA radar [GMT 09/22/05 15:04:30] just did a rainex drop here, some indication of a wind max here [GMT 09/22/05 15:04:49] NRL has intense outer rainband immed S of our track at 27.75/85 [GMT 09/22/05 15:05:00] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, Good to hear - we should be able to get them along that band. [GMT 09/22/05 15:05:20] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/22/05 15:06:33] BradSmull-NRL, Your track looking good- things to improve for you shortly- strongest cells to the left [GMT 09/22/05 15:06:49] terry-n43_, hello, we have lost the 1Hz data down here (but LF is still good) [GMT 09/22/05 15:06:54] Tjx Jim [GMT 09/22/05 15:07:10] DaveJorgensen-n43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:07:24] terry-n43_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:07:29] BradSmull-NRL, Should be able to head south ~85.5, or before [GMT 09/22/05 15:07:30] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:08:31] Jim- so you are recommending a SW-bound track to IP when able? [GMT 09/22/05 15:09:28] BradSmull-NRL, Indeed , toward the IP as soon as you can [GMT 09/22/05 15:11:12] Ops--we need to go about another 40 KM before we can turn [GMT 09/22/05 15:11:30] Jasmine-nrlp3, That's fine - at your discretion. [GMT 09/22/05 15:11:49] GregStossmeister-Ops-- thanks. [GMT 09/22/05 15:12:25] Outer band is intense--quasi continuous band of 50 dBZ echo on ELDORA [GMT 09/22/05 15:12:44] Jasmine-nrlp3, lets try to talk in aircraft--nmiles, knots, feet, etc [GMT 09/22/05 15:13:07] BradSmull-NRL, What kind of updrafts did you see? [GMT 09/22/05 15:13:19] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:13:38] BobHouze-Ops-- fine Bob, will do! [GMT 09/22/05 15:14:11] GregStossmeister-Ops-- crossing now. Our instruments say 8 m/s [GMT 09/22/05 15:14:50] We have now crossed to S side of outer band--much brighter here [GMT 09/22/05 15:15:13] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:15:18] BradSmull-NRL, did you get any up or downdrafts? [GMT 09/22/05 15:15:42] BradSmull-NRL, ok...just saw jasmine's report [GMT 09/22/05 15:16:08] BobHouze-Ops-- read above, about 8 m/s updraft, 3 m/s downdrafts [GMT 09/22/05 15:16:35] Jasmine-nrlp3, ok. [GMT 09/22/05 15:16:59] Bob--really hasn't been as rough as those numbers might suggest. Keep in mind in-flight we use a one-sided time series algorithhm... post-processed values are generally more accurate [GMT 09/22/05 15:17:28] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:18:03] MarkBradford-Boulder (MarkBradfo@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:21:45] BradSmull-NRL, Thanks Brad [GMT 09/22/05 15:22:02] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/22/05 15:24:27] Ops--we are about 25 minutes to IP. We will then work upwind from there along the feature. [GMT 09/22/05 15:24:59] Jasmine-nrlp3, Sounds good Jasmine thx. [GMT 09/22/05 15:26:51] ShuyiChen-opc (Shuyi@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:28:56] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:29:29] Ops, do you see the orientation of the band you like NRL to work? [GMT 09/22/05 15:29:32] BradSmull-NRL, can you contact 43? we have not had lf or flight track data for nearly 20 minutes [GMT 09/22/05 15:30:17] BobHouze-Ops, We will try radio. Have you tried satphone? I know it works best going other direction... [GMT 09/22/05 15:30:31] BradSmull-NRL, LF data has been done for almost 30min. Target band is roughly circular around the eye at a radius of about 40nmi. [GMT 09/22/05 15:30:42] BradSmull-NRL, we have not tried satphone but we could try [GMT 09/22/05 15:30:46] Ugh [GMT 09/22/05 15:31:12] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:31:23] BradSmull-NRL, Target band may extend outward further in NW quadrant as Dave described earlier. [GMT 09/22/05 15:31:29] I've been told it's difficult for FD to hear it ringing, but might be worth trying [GMT 09/22/05 15:31:58] 42 is off the ground [GMT 09/22/05 15:32:19] GregStossmeister-Ops, so orientation of our 1st leg will be generally NW-SE? [GMT 09/22/05 15:32:26] pchang_n42, Thanks Paul. [GMT 09/22/05 15:32:28] BradSmull-NRL, we are going to try to call but it's not easy. [GMT 09/22/05 15:33:16] BradSmull-NRL, Yes that is correct NW to SE curving toward the south - at this radius there will be a lot of curvature. [GMT 09/22/05 15:33:20] BradSmull-NRL, it would be good if your flight crew could find out if they are haveing problems with the lf datat transmission [GMT 09/22/05 15:33:24] Ops - No radio contact w/ 43 yet [GMT 09/22/05 15:33:41] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- is the image you're now sending us the 1 hr composite? [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:02] Jasmine-nrlp3, no but we could [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:26] Jasmine-nrlp3, stacy is working on that [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:40] I'm just wondering becuse we have LF data here but Greg said LF has been down for 30 min, [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:41] that's why I ask [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:53] We still see radar on our images, so that's at least helpful [GMT 09/22/05 15:34:59] GregStossmeister-Ops, Thx Our FL winds now climbing rapidly, now 30 m/s, mdt turblence [GMT 09/22/05 15:35:03] BradSmull-NRL, 43's phone is ringing but they are not answering [GMT 09/22/05 15:35:27] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:35:43] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:35:44] BobHouze-Ops, we will ask nrl crew to continue trying to raise 43 on radio [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:00] BradSmull-NRL, thanks...that's our only option [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:14] Jasmine-nrlp3, there is an image in "other" [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:22] BradSmull-NRL, Do you see the target band we have been talking about in the composites you are (were) getting? [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:27] Jasmine-nrlp3, do you need the url? [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:32] BobHouze-Ops-- thanks a bunch, we'll grab it now [GMT 09/22/05 15:36:45] BobHouze-Ops-- no, I know it. ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 15:37:22] BobHouze-Ops, it's in our "favorites" list ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 15:37:30] Brad: if NRL crew can get 43 on radio, please ask 43 to call ops center 305-421-4071. It's always easier for them to call. [GMT 09/22/05 15:39:14] Bob--will do. Only VHF contact at present is with AF [GMT 09/22/05 15:40:09] Correction--contact w 43 passing request to call [GMT 09/22/05 15:40:31] Thx, Brad. [GMT 09/22/05 15:40:32] BradSmull-NRL, Your track following the band may start more North to South rather than NW-SE ok? [GMT 09/22/05 15:40:41] BradSmull-NRL, jim moore is standing by for the call from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 15:41:32] GregStossmeister-Ops, Understood [GMT 09/22/05 15:41:43] BradSmull-NRL, we need to know 1) nrl's position, 2) status of lf data transmission, 3) do dropsonds in band at 45 nm radius [GMT 09/22/05 15:42:02] BradSmull-NRL, if correction 43's position!! [GMT 09/22/05 15:42:32] jemmett-tampa (rainex@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 15:42:49] BradSmull-NRL,ust to clarify: we need to know 1) 43's position, 2) status of lf data transmission, 3) do dropsonds in band at 45 nm radius [GMT 09/22/05 15:43:12] BobHouze-Ops, OK, the request (~urgent) for them to call you was passed to 43 flight deck [GMT 09/22/05 15:43:12] NRL at 26.3 87.5 tracking 224 [GMT 09/22/05 15:43:19] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- BobHouze-Ops we've just about finished downloading the 1 hr composite image, looks like it will be of great use to us!!! [GMT 09/22/05 15:43:52] Understood [GMT 09/22/05 15:43:57] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:44:23] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:44:28] BobHouze-Ops, Wen is directly passing info to 43 [GMT 09/22/05 15:44:28] Jasmine-nrlp3, just be aware that it is up to 1.5 hours old [GMT 09/22/05 15:44:54] Ok, will do. Just nice to see the overall picture [GMT 09/22/05 15:45:14] BradSmull-NRL, So target band should be ahead of you roughly 40nmi you turn upwind should bring the band along your right-hand side close. [GMT 09/22/05 15:45:23] Rita is a LOT bumpier today [GMT 09/22/05 15:45:41] BradSmull-NRL, You are going through an outer band. [GMT 09/22/05 15:45:47] GregStossmeister-Ops, we copy [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:14] BradSmull-NRL, FYI Jim is talking to 43 opn the phone right now. [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:16] As the good book says, "In my house, there are many bands...." [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:22] Nick change: JessicaKoury-ops -> DeannaHence-ops [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:30] Great! [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:40] Nick change: Deanna-ops -> JessicaKoury-ops [GMT 09/22/05 15:46:49] Nick change: DeannaHence-ops -> Deanna-ops [GMT 09/22/05 15:48:25] n42_MARS, we're receiving 1hz data from y'all just fine [GMT 09/22/05 15:48:38] Greg--What is approx latitude of N/NE edge of band on our track? [GMT 09/22/05 15:48:55] BradSmull-NRL, Standby [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:01] BradSmull-NRL, jim talked to 43. he asked that they switch to inmar sat [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:02] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:10] n42_MARS (N42_MARS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:32] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:43] BradSmull-NRL, Outside edge of target band is 25.6/88.1 from our old LF data. [GMT 09/22/05 15:49:45] We can loiter here if necessary--need decision on that now [GMT 09/22/05 15:50:18] BradSmull-NRL, What other info do you need? [GMT 09/22/05 15:50:41] We are orbiting (hopefully briefly) to get coordinated [GMT 09/22/05 15:51:06] BradSmull-NRL, Turn point at the end of your upwind leg will be 24.9/88.2 [GMT 09/22/05 15:51:18] GregStossmeister-Ops, What is status of LF transmission/troubleshooting? [GMT 09/22/05 15:51:42] BradSmull-NRL, That will be point B at the south end of your upwind leg - understand? [GMT 09/22/05 15:52:04] N42, we lost 1hz data [GMT 09/22/05 15:52:06] BradSmull-NRL, We've asked 43 to switch to inmarsat no data yet. [GMT 09/22/05 15:52:07] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, got it [GMT 09/22/05 15:52:32] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 15:53:02] BradSmull-NRL, To reiterate do upwind leg from point A (25.5/88.1) to point B (24.9/88.2) then reverse track ok? [GMT 09/22/05 15:53:37] BobHouze-Ops-- pilots want to loiter here until we get LF data back up [GMT 09/22/05 15:53:54] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, point received! [GMT 09/22/05 15:54:21] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thx Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 15:55:22] BradSmull-NRL, Is Carl willing to fly any bands while you wait or does he just want to orbit until LF comes back? [GMT 09/22/05 15:55:24] OK, NRL flight & scientists have cacused--we are comfortable proceeding to IP and working upwind. [GMT 09/22/05 15:55:36] BradSmull-NRL, OK thanks Brad [GMT 09/22/05 15:55:52] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:56:16] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 42 is on its way in so hopefully we'll get at least one LF radar pattern between the 2 aircraft. [GMT 09/22/05 15:56:50] GregStossmeister-Ops-- agreed! So no drops on this leg until we turn downwind, just to confirm [GMT 09/22/05 15:57:12] Jasmine-nrlp3, yes [GMT 09/22/05 15:57:34] BobHouze-Ops-- thanks. Keep a tally of how many times I ask! [GMT 09/22/05 15:57:56] Jasmine-nrlp3, no problem [GMT 09/22/05 15:58:36] pchang_n42, we're receiving 1hz data but no lf...have the radars been started yet? [GMT 09/22/05 15:58:47] CharlieMartin-Boulder (martinc@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 15:58:48] CharlieMartin-Boulder (martinc@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 15:59:10] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 can your flight crew find out if 43 switched to inmar sat? we still have no lf images [GMT 09/22/05 15:59:18] GregStossmeister-Ops, to reiterate--what is status of LF/troubleshooting w/' 43? [GMT 09/22/05 15:59:18] stm is getting the lf part setup...should see it soon [GMT 09/22/05 16:00:19] BobHouze-Ops-- ok, nav's gonna contact and ask [GMT 09/22/05 16:00:23] BradSmull-NRL, they said they would switch to inmar sat. Can your crew find out if that was done? we still have no images [GMT 09/22/05 16:00:34] Jasmine-nrlp3, OK [GMT 09/22/05 16:02:31] BobHouze-Ops-- 43 has switched over to inmar sat, and is attempting to transmit [GMT 09/22/05 16:02:39] NRL turning right (SW) briefly to join-up with rainband. When tucked up next to it, we will go upwind [GMT 09/22/05 16:02:47] BradSmull-NRL, LF now coming in from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 16:02:58] Jasmine-nrlp3, we're getting lf data [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:06] GregStossmeister-Ops-- great news! [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:13] N42, N43...we have LF coming from both of you! [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:26] StacyBrodzik-Ops, great news! [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:27] Jasmine-nrlp3, lf data coming in from both planes now--no image yet [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:46] N42, we now have your 1hz as well...thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 16:03:51] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:04:14] N43, no 1hz from y'all yet [GMT 09/22/05 16:04:19] BobHouze-Ops-- yay!!! We'll get the next image in about 10 minutes, should prove VERY helpful! [GMT 09/22/05 16:04:40] Jasmine-nrlp3, agreed [GMT 09/22/05 16:05:38] NRL is now hugging band on upwind track. Will reverse track once we cross 25 N [GMT 09/22/05 16:05:54] and begni drops on that 1st downwind leg [GMT 09/22/05 16:06:00] BradSmull-NRL, Sounds great Brad [GMT 09/22/05 16:06:21] 43 is inbound, headed NW [GMT 09/22/05 16:07:21] BradSmull-NRL, you will be between two bands [GMT 09/22/05 16:07:54] BobHouze-Ops, understood. We're not yet discerening that from ELDORA,. but will continue watching [GMT 09/22/05 16:08:57] BradSmull-NRL, we will extend your southern end point, standby for a point C [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:09] The band inside our radius is clearest to us at this point [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:25] Jasmine-nrlp3, do you have a location for 43? [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:26] BobHouze-Ops, We copy. Will delay any turns [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:31] BradSmull-NRL, Yep you haven't yet reached where the other one begins. [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:51] Jasmine-nrlp3, No track data from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 16:09:53] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- no, I just heard the navs talking. We'll ask Nav for it [GMT 09/22/05 16:10:12] Ops--how is our track looking? [GMT 09/22/05 16:10:25] Jasmine-nrlp3, We know they are NW bound on the figure 4 from SE-NW [GMT 09/22/05 16:10:37] BradSmull-NRL, Point C will be the turn around pt now, not point B. Point C is: 24.7/88.4 understand? [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:02] GregStossmeister-Ops-- got it [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:06] GregStossmeister-Ops, we copy Pt C [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:16] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:19] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL Thx! [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:22] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:41] Nick change: mblack -> MikeB-N42 [GMT 09/22/05 16:11:50] Ops--43's location is 25.25/88.5 [GMT 09/22/05 16:12:28] BobHouze-Ops-- we'll start drops when we reverse at point C [GMT 09/22/05 16:12:35] does anyone have 43's last center fix? [GMT 09/22/05 16:12:46] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thx Jasmine [GMT 09/22/05 16:13:37] pchang_n42, 25.2 88.6 More than 1 hr old [GMT 09/22/05 16:13:39] BobHouze-Ops--how is our track looking now that you have a new LF image? [GMT 09/22/05 16:13:58] thanks JimMoore-Ops [GMT 09/22/05 16:14:02] MikeB-N42, fyi nrl is now at 25.3/88.1, 45 nm ese of center [GMT 09/22/05 16:14:13] Jasmine-nrlp3, Track is excellent -keep doing what you are doing! [GMT 09/22/05 16:14:22] MikeB-N42, nrl is tracking upwind along a band on their right [GMT 09/22/05 16:15:01] GregStossmeister-Ops-- well thanks, then we will keep it up! Glad to get some feedback [GMT 09/22/05 16:15:04] pchang_n42, Eye motion is now distinctly NW --we will update position as 25.4, 88.8 [GMT 09/22/05 16:15:19] Jasmine-nrlp3, your newest lf image will be a good one [GMT 09/22/05 16:15:31] pchang_n42, This based on latest 43 LF image [GMT 09/22/05 16:15:58] BobHouze-Ops, thanks got it [GMT 09/22/05 16:16:02] BobHouze-Ops-- we think we're beginning to see the outer band you were speaking of on ELDORA now [GMT 09/22/05 16:16:30] thanks JimMoore-Ops [GMT 09/22/05 16:16:42] Jasmine-nrlp3, That's right it's a bit broken to your east but solidifies further south. [GMT 09/22/05 16:16:53] BobHouze-Ops-- we've got it, and it's a beauty [GMT 09/22/05 16:17:27] OK Bob,LF is in hand and we have a very clar picture of the bands you have been describing [GMT 09/22/05 16:17:28] MikeB-N42, we are getting lf data from 42 and 43, 1hz data from 42, but we are NOT getting 1hz (track) data from 43. If you are in contact with 43, let them know we are not getting 1hz data from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 16:17:41] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:18:09] BobHouze-Ops, we will pass news re: 1Hz data [GMT 09/22/05 16:18:19] BradSmull-NRL, thx [GMT 09/22/05 16:18:51] Nick change: N43-Sta2 -> terry [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:08] there is lat-lon in the lf feed....maybe you can use that for position [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:09] got radar data over to inmarsat [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:14] hey terry [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:16] are you getting it? [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:20] welcome back [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:38] Terry, you're my hero [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:42] terry, great lf data! thanks for switching sats; what's the story with the 1hz data? [GMT 09/22/05 16:19:56] the 1 hz is currently now going out... (neither G* is getting coveratge at tyhis time) [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:44] hey terry...where are you now? [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:45] terry, does that mean that while the lf is on inmarsat and gstar is down, we won't be getting 1hz data? [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:49] MikeDaniels-NCAR (daniels@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:51] now = not [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:59] &RAINEX: mode change '+o MikeDaniels-NCAR' by MikeDaniels-NCAR!daniels@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu [GMT 09/22/05 16:20:59] Mode change by non-chanop on &RAINEX! Reversing... [GMT 09/22/05 16:21:08] BobHouze-Ops--doing some deviations for weather and to keep band close, but otherwise on track [GMT 09/22/05 16:21:11] we need two satcoms.. 1 for lf and one for 1hz [GMT 09/22/05 16:21:34] right now ONLY inmarsat is working... so only lf is going out [GMT 09/22/05 16:21:54] when we get back into G* coverage range, then 1 hz will flow [GMT 09/22/05 16:22:12] terry, we agree with your choice of priorities--LF is helping us tremendously [GMT 09/22/05 16:22:28] Ops--we're about 5-10 minutes to point C. Plan is still to reverse there, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 16:22:30] terry, since we're not getting 1hz now, can you provide SE and NW endpoints and times? [GMT 09/22/05 16:22:41] Jasmine-nrlp3, Yes that is correct. [GMT 09/22/05 16:23:03] NRL is nearing S-most point, preparing to reverse track for downwind leg [GMT 09/22/05 16:24:27] Terry--can we get Dave Jorgensen on in chat for these duties (endpoint reports etc.)? [GMT 09/22/05 16:25:01] BradSmull-NRL, Sounds good Brad on this downwind leg you will proceed past your original IP and head to point D (25.9/88.5) where you will reverse track back to Point A. Understand? [GMT 09/22/05 16:25:33] mikeB, pchang_n42 What will be the 42 IP for storm penetration? [GMT 09/22/05 16:25:43] BradSmull-NRL, You should follow the band on your downwind leg keeping it close to your left side. [GMT 09/22/05 16:25:54] paul--n43rf is comm on inmarsat currently [GMT 09/22/05 16:25:56] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, got those points. We're extending our track a bit so we can find some space to turn [GMT 09/22/05 16:26:11] Jasmine-nrlp3, OK -that's fine. [GMT 09/22/05 16:26:16] GregStossmeister-Ops, Understood. Our turn to downwind is delayed (hopefully only slightly) for flight safety considerations [GMT 09/22/05 16:26:39] BradSmull-NRL, No problem - we understand. [GMT 09/22/05 16:27:20] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, those points are passed to the nav [GMT 09/22/05 16:27:41] N42, we haven't had LF from y'all in over 5 mins [GMT 09/22/05 16:28:32] N42, data's flowing now...thanks!\ [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:03] Drop away, we've reversed track [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:05] mblack_ (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:12] NRL's 1st sonde is away [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:16] BradSmull-NRL, Just to clarify -we do not want you to go straight to point D but if you follow the band you've been working you should come to it as you move downwind. We just want to be clear. [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:24] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:35] GregStossmeister-Ops, er [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:37] MikeB-N42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:29:39] we understand--thx [GMT 09/22/05 16:30:07] mblack_ (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 16:30:28] mblack_ (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:30:41] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:07] Ops--starting drops every 7 minutes now [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:16] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:18] Ops--can we get a new center for Rita? [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:30] Jasmine-nrlp3, standby [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:45] mblack, pchang, N42 What will be the 42 IP for storm penetration? [GMT 09/22/05 16:31:47] GregStossmeister-Ops-- thanks [GMT 09/22/05 16:32:07] Jasmine-nrlp3, Eyeball would be 25.5/88.8 for the center [GMT 09/22/05 16:32:43] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:32:49] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:32:54] we're back! [GMT 09/22/05 16:32:57] Jasmine-nrlp3, I mean't eyeballig it from the LF data. [GMT 09/22/05 16:33:13] interesting structure today [GMT 09/22/05 16:33:27] GregStossmeister-Ops--many thanks, a quick eyeball will do! [GMT 09/22/05 16:33:42] DaveJorgensen-n43, RobRogers-N43 Nice to have you back! [GMT 09/22/05 16:33:52] it appears that there is some evidence of a secondary eyewall, especially on LF data [GMT 09/22/05 16:33:53] Global Star has been a pain today [GMT 09/22/05 16:34:17] but FL winds only show a marginal (5-10 kt peak) on the SW and SE sides only [GMT 09/22/05 16:34:22] DaveJorgensen-n43, glad to have you here! [GMT 09/22/05 16:34:23] GregStossmeister-Ops-- yes, I chuckled, but I understood. ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 16:34:46] DaveJorgensen-n43, how has your ride been lately? [GMT 09/22/05 16:34:49] on the NE and NW side there is little or no secondary wind max [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:19] Brad - we've just exited the eye toward the NW [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:25] Jasmine-nrlp3, COnfirm drops away as scheduled? [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:31] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:39] JimMoore-Ops-- yes, second one just away! [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:48] Ops - Does Rob Rogers observation re: wind max portend anything for quadrant choice for our future legs? [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:48] mblack_ (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:54] Brad - there are no significant bands in the SW quad [GMT 09/22/05 16:35:58] JimMoore-Ops-- Every 7 min, as scheduled. [GMT 09/22/05 16:36:13] Thx Dave [GMT 09/22/05 16:36:25] We have nice bands here on SE-->NE side [GMT 09/22/05 16:36:26] JimMoore-Ops-- are we to still drop through point A to point D? [GMT 09/22/05 16:36:27] Brad - large band on N and NE sides spirals in to merge with the "outer" eyewall on the W side [GMT 09/22/05 16:36:46] Understood Dave [GMT 09/22/05 16:37:05] Brad - its been an extreamly SMOOTH ride so far - even in the eyewall penetrations [GMT 09/22/05 16:37:05] Jasmine-nrlp3, You got it, all the way around [GMT 09/22/05 16:37:36] JimMoore-Ops-- ok, i got it and you got it! [GMT 09/22/05 16:38:17] BradSmull-NRL, Can you do a favor and find out the 42 pattern for us. They are coming and going--comms wise [GMT 09/22/05 16:38:21] Rob: did you drop a sonde on the outer "eyewall" band? [GMT 09/22/05 16:38:53] Dave--we found some real "meat" in Rita's outer rainbands.... 50 dBZ and mdt turbulence. But in-close to center has definitely been smoother [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:17] JimMoore-Ops, We'll try [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:24] we are currently receiving everything but N42's 1hz stream [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:34] Ops - we're doing a figure 4 oriented NE - SW - SE - NW [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:36] terry, thanks for getting everything back up! [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:39] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 How does the band that you have been working look now? still well defined? [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:40] JimMoore-Ops, no contact established w/ 42 as yet [GMT 09/22/05 16:39:48] we're currently outbound on NW leg [GMT 09/22/05 16:40:07] BradSmull-NRL, understand no contact with 42 yet. [GMT 09/22/05 16:40:21] JimMoore-Ops, Just had contact w/ 42--passing your question [GMT 09/22/05 16:40:58] BobHouze-Ops, GregStossmeister-Ops We [GMT 09/22/05 16:41:17] We;re in yet another "band-rich" environment... i.e. a multiplicity of bands [GMT 09/22/05 16:41:45] Though the one just inside (W of) our track remains the most coherent [GMT 09/22/05 16:42:17] shuyi, yes we did [GMT 09/22/05 16:42:31] we've done RAINEX drops in the outer "eyewall" in the SW, SE, and NW sides [GMT 09/22/05 16:42:44] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:42:50] we did not do one on the initial inbound leg, on the NE side, b/c there was no evidence of a FL wind peak there [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:10] GregStossmeister-Ops-- we are to turn around at point D, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:18] BradSmull-NRL, At point D you are going to reverse track back to point A following the band immediately to your west then reversing again at point A to go downwind to a point we have not yet given you yet correct? [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:23] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:24] Ops - our last fix at 1616 Z center 25.42N 88.83W max winds NW eyewall 130 knots central pressure by drop 915 mb [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:27] Thx, Rob. are you going into 2nd figure 4 of the day? [GMT 09/22/05 16:43:37] GregStossmeister-Ops-- reverse to point A, with no drops on our upwind? [GMT 09/22/05 16:44:03] Dave--what's your most recent central pressure ob? [GMT 09/22/05 16:44:05] Jasmine-nrlp3, correct. [GMT 09/22/05 16:44:15] we will be shortly....do you want me to drop more RAINEX sondes if there is a secondary FL wind max? [GMT 09/22/05 16:44:18] 915 mb by dropsonde [GMT 09/22/05 16:44:46] Nick change: mblack -> MikeB-n42 [GMT 09/22/05 16:45:08] DaveJorgensen-n43, Thx. We now see the eyewall on our nose radar [GMT 09/22/05 16:45:49] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, thanks. We're about to turn. [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:00] n42 position is 25.6/86.7 tracking 270 towards eye [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:08] MBlack - what time did you guys take off? [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:11] Nick change: JessicaKoury-ops -> DeannaHence-ops [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:15] Nick change: Deanna-ops -> JessicaKoury-ops [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:19] 1532 UTC [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:22] Nick change: DeannaHence-ops -> Deanna-ops [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:39] Brad - any thought of putting your track between the eyewall and the rainband on E and N sides? [GMT 09/22/05 16:46:45] Any Doppler analyses from 43 yest for John? [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:19] DaveJorgensen-n43, Wen-Chau and I considered it, but Ops seems to like us out at this larger radius. [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:22] MikeB, What will be the west endpoint? [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:28] Jasmine-nrlp3, and BradSmull-NRL We want to revise your upwind turn point instead of Pt. A it will be Pt. E - stand by for Pt. E coordinates. [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:30] No Frank, Shirley has been too busy working up the drops - lotsa drops today [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:36] Ops--NRL is turning, last sond on this downwind leg is away. Will stop drops until our next downwind leg [GMT 09/22/05 16:47:43] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, standing by [GMT 09/22/05 16:48:26] OK Brad, its a very smooth ride today so I thought you might want to look at that "secondary" eyewall and eyewall on the same pass [GMT 09/22/05 16:48:34] are you getting the 1 hz feed now [GMT 09/22/05 16:49:03] terry-n43, yes we're getting 1hz now...thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 16:49:52] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 Nevermind just go back to point A. sorry. Whenyou get to point A, reverse track and we'll head you downwind to the next point (not yet given) past point D. [GMT 09/22/05 16:50:19] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, that makes it easy on us! Thanks for the update [GMT 09/22/05 16:50:35] Jasmine-nrlp3, At your service. [GMT 09/22/05 16:50:59] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL tell us what it looks like on the tail radar to your right during the next 15 nm [GMT 09/22/05 16:51:18] GregStossmeister-Ops-- one more service, once we reverse on point A, do we continue 7 min drops? [GMT 09/22/05 16:51:27] BobHouze-Ops-- you got it, we'll let ya know. [GMT 09/22/05 16:51:43] Jasmine-nrlp3, only drop on downwind legs. [GMT 09/22/05 16:52:10] Yes, we will, but do we drop all the way from A to our yet-to-be-given point E? [GMT 09/22/05 16:52:43] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL if it looks smooth in that part of the band we may pull you in to the next band inward, which is the 2ndary eyewall and the most important feature of the day [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:09] Jasmine-nrlp3, Shuyi says yes - we always want you dropping every 7 when moving downwind. [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:16] N42, we have lost your 1Hz data stream in Ops (although your LF data is coming in fine) [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:24] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:26] MikeB-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:34] Rob: on your next leg cross the center, drop a sonde in the outer eyewall, one in the mode between the inner and outer eyewall. [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:36] BobHouze-Ops, Peak fallstreak dBZ's are in 30-40 dBZ range, ocnl 45 dBZ, with some 25+ dBZ convective like enhancements above the bright band [GMT 09/22/05 16:53:49] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL this really looks like a replacement cycle, and it would be good to get you in to that next band when you come back downwind [GMT 09/22/05 16:54:00] BobHouze-Ops, Anvil-like signatures (plumes embedded within broader anvil echo) are tilting outward in a radial sense [GMT 09/22/05 16:54:09] Ops - on our last pass from the SE through that secondary eyewall it appeared fairly stratiform with only a few embedded cells [GMT 09/22/05 16:54:29] Overall, it's a bit like a cross section through an MCS, except this "stratiform" region is interrupted w/ occasional convective bands. [GMT 09/22/05 16:54:33] DaveJorgensen-n43, Thanks Dave. [GMT 09/22/05 16:54:40] Rob: can you go to #hrd? [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:09] DaveJorgensen-n43, On hi res sat, we can see the cirrus streaks radily outward from the center--quite pretty [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:13] MikeB-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:26] Ops, we were thinking 1 drop in outer eyewall on each corner of Fig 4, how does that sound? [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:27] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, I heard word of not dropping in the "transition" legs, but if you tell us to drop all the way from point A to point E, that's what we'll be doing [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:35] BobHouze-Ops, we are seeing evidence of spiral bands propagating outward from center with time [GMT 09/22/05 16:55:59] N42 data streams are back up in Ops, thank you. [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:10] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:22] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- is 42's LF image reasonable from where you're looking? It seems a bit over done, but perhaps they're in clear air and introducing some sea clutter [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:31] BobHouze-Ops, we understand and agree with your recommendation to shift to more inner band on our return (upwind) leg [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:32] MikeB-42: I'd like to drop on the outer eyewall, not the corner point. [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:45] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL After reaching point A we want to bring you inbound to secondary band just inside band you are working. So after flying to pint A. Head WSW to pt E (25.6/88.2) then from there downwind to point F (26.1/88.7) understand? [GMT 09/22/05 16:56:57] DaveJorgensen-n43, note that we are going to follow your earlier suggestion [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:13] OK Brad - I thought that was the best show in town today [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:16] MikeB: what is the radius of your figure 4? [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:16] GregStossmeister-Ops, we copy those points [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:26] thanks [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:40] BradSmull-NRL, Thanks. As usual follow the band down wind, not a straight line. [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:43] Brad - you can try flying outside that band and then perhaps between the eyewall and that band [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:44] ShuyiChen-opc, that's what we meant. We will target a wind max. [GMT 09/22/05 16:57:57] Rob: can you go to #hrd? [GMT 09/22/05 16:58:38] Jasmine-nrlp3, it seems like the 42's radar tilt is causing lots of sea clutter to show up in the image [GMT 09/22/05 16:58:41] MikeB, if the 2nd wind max is not clear, drop on the max reflective (rainband). Thx. [GMT 09/22/05 16:58:56] ok, that's what I thought. [GMT 09/22/05 16:58:57] BTW out last central pressure via dropsonde was 914.9 mb [GMT 09/22/05 17:00:04] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- if it starts to smear out features from 43, is it possible to turn off 42's LF in the composite? [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:02] MikeB-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:03] BradSmull-NRL, Any problem with NRL moving inbound after point A? [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:04] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:05] Dave: I don't know if Rob see this, can you pass along? -> on your next leg cross the center, drop a sonde in the outer eyewall, one in the mode between the inner and outer eyewall. [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:07] pchang_n42_ (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:29] OK Shuyi [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:34] NRL is attempting to reposition ourselves inside of this band [GMT 09/22/05 17:01:44] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thx Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 17:02:05] MikeB-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:02:41] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 when you get in you will go downwind adjacent the 2ndary eyewall forming as part of the apparent replacement cycle [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:13] Rob: can you go to #hrd? [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:23] BradSmull-NRL, the 2ndary eyewall looks closed in the full lf composite [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:29] GregStossmeister-Ops-- we've crossed the band, no problems [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:35] GregStossmeister-Ops-- We're turning around now to head downwind [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:47] Jasmine-nrlp3, Excellent - thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 17:03:59] BobHouze-Ops-- great, thanks for the info. [GMT 09/22/05 17:04:14] Ops--we'll start drops every 7 min once we finish our turn [GMT 09/22/05 17:04:49] Ops--we are to drop all the way from point E to point F, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 17:04:52] Thx, Dave. That means two sondes in the E and two W side. [GMT 09/22/05 17:05:05] BobHouze-Ops, we are thrilled with prospect of continuing data collection in this mode/locaion,which is very similar to the last phase of our flight yesterday [GMT 09/22/05 17:05:10] frank its eric....he is off the computer at the moment. ill let him know. [GMT 09/22/05 17:05:29] Thanks Eric I want to pass Shirley flight info [GMT 09/22/05 17:06:04] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL Once you get set up on the secondary eyewall we'll want you to fly downwind through Pt F. to Pt. G which is 25.9/89.3 following the band. Does that makes sense? [GMT 09/22/05 17:06:04] Pete says first leg of SFMR from 43 looked great [GMT 09/22/05 17:06:35] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, sounds good. [GMT 09/22/05 17:06:43] BradSmull-NRL, yes this will be eaasy fro you to execute and valuable data [GMT 09/22/05 17:06:47] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thanks Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 17:07:51] Yes Bob, extremely so on both counts [GMT 09/22/05 17:07:54] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:08:11] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:08:15] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:08:43] pchang_n42_ (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:08:43] Nick change: terry -> ericu_43 [GMT 09/22/05 17:09:00] N42, we have lost both the 1Hz and LF data streams [GMT 09/22/05 17:09:02] MikeB-n42 (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:09:44] Bob--just like yesterday, beautiful data [GMT 09/22/05 17:10:18] BobHouze-Ops, ELDORA coverage extens from eyewall (left limit) across 2-3 mesoscale bands with many more small-scale features embedded [GMT 09/22/05 17:10:20] GregStossmeister-Ops-- drops all the way through pt G, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 17:11:00] Jasmine Yes - by the way we are thinking now that we have you on the secondary eyewall of having you do a full cicuit downwind - no upwind passes. [GMT 09/22/05 17:11:18] Jasmine-nrlp3, Standby for confirmation on that. [GMT 09/22/05 17:11:21] Frank glad to hear it...too bad were not getting wild surface winds to test new emissivity function [GMT 09/22/05 17:11:50] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok [GMT 09/22/05 17:12:32] GregStossmeister-Ops-- that sounds good to us, just let us know if you want us to keep dropping sondes if that's the plan [GMT 09/22/05 17:12:44] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL OK we confirm we'd like you to follow the band all the way around full circle. We'd like you to tuck in close keeping it on your left. [GMT 09/22/05 17:13:07] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL If you drift away from it we'll let you know to correct your track. [GMT 09/22/05 17:13:20] GregStossmeister-Ops, We'll really zip--we have a 90kt tailwind at this radius! [GMT 09/22/05 17:13:24] Jasmine-nrlp3, Keep dropping sondes downwind. [GMT 09/22/05 17:13:41] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, copy that. That's a lot of drops, let us know if you still want 7 min intervals [GMT 09/22/05 17:13:49] BradSmull-NRL, Understand it won't take long. Let us know if you need points. [GMT 09/22/05 17:14:13] GregStossmeister-Ops-- thanks, we'll appreciate any corrections [GMT 09/22/05 17:14:26] BradSmull-NRL, thinking ahead, we would like to go around more than once [GMT 09/22/05 17:14:28] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, sondes will be dropped every 7 min! [GMT 09/22/05 17:14:33] Jasmine-nrlp3, It will be under an hour trip so will not take that many sondes dropping every 7min. [GMT 09/22/05 17:14:52] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, sounds good [GMT 09/22/05 17:15:21] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thx Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 17:15:26] BobHouze-Ops, we copy plan for multiple downwind circuits [GMT 09/22/05 17:16:47] NRL FL winds now up to 100 kt [GMT 09/22/05 17:17:19] NRL is now tracking down center of broad band [GMT 09/22/05 17:17:38] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 we are not getting lf datastream from 42. Can your flight crew talk to 42 and ask them to switch to INMARSAT so we can get their lf data to steer you? [GMT 09/22/05 17:18:14] BobHouze-Ops-- got your message, stand by [GMT 09/22/05 17:19:44] Trying server rdcc.guest.ucar.edu: [GMT 09/22/05 17:19:44] Connected to rdcc.guest.ucar.edu [GMT 09/22/05 17:19:44] -NOTICE- *** Checking Ident [GMT 09/22/05 17:19:48] -NOTICE- on 24 ca 1(5) ft 10(10) tr [GMT 09/22/05 17:19:50] -NOTICE- *** Notice -- NCAR_EOL_RDCC (rdcc@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) is now operator (O) [GMT 09/22/05 17:20:18] NCAR_EOL_RDCC joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:20:21] BobHouze-Ops-- they did switch over to the inmarsat [GMT 09/22/05 17:20:45] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, super, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 17:21:18] Jasmine-nrlp3, we are not getting LF data from 42. when did they switch? [GMT 09/22/05 17:21:41] They said they just switched it [GMT 09/22/05 17:22:12] &RAINEX: mode change '+o NCAR_EOL_RDCC' by NCAR_EOL_RDCC!rdcc@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu [GMT 09/22/05 17:22:56] Jasmine-nrlp3, we'll let you know when we start seeing data from 42--none yet [GMT 09/22/05 17:23:40] BobHouze-Ops-- ok. How's NRL's track looking to you? [GMT 09/22/05 17:23:55] It looks good to us from the new image [GMT 09/22/05 17:24:18] Jasmine-nrlp3, nrl track looks good [GMT 09/22/05 17:24:34] BobHouze-Ops-- great, thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 17:30:00] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:30:14] pavel-jeffco- (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:30:33] Jasmine-nrlp3, can nrl contact 42 again. let them know we are not getting LF data and we need it to guide nrl. [GMT 09/22/05 17:30:55] BobHouze-Ops-- ok [GMT 09/22/05 17:31:27] BobHouze-Ops--nav's gonna contact 42 and let them know [GMT 09/22/05 17:31:39] BobHouze-Ops, we continue to get beautiful definition in ELDORA of both eyewall and inner band/secondary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 17:32:40] BobHouze-Ops--42 got the message [GMT 09/22/05 17:33:55] Ops--just to keep you updated, we've been dropping every 7 min. like clockwork [GMT 09/22/05 17:33:56] Jasmine-nrlp3, we are starting to see 42 lf coming in. but no flight tracks [GMT 09/22/05 17:34:19] Thx, Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 17:34:26] BobHouze-Ops-- ok [GMT 09/22/05 17:34:41] BradSmull-NRL, what did you see on the tail radar to your right in the SW quadrant? [GMT 09/22/05 17:35:44] BobHouze-Ops, That is the area where we were in the midst of a broad band-it was pretty stratiform. More convective/narrow-intense structure has been confined to left side of our track [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:08] GregStossmeister-Ops-- BobHouze-Ops--are we going to circumnavigate this one more time? [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:13] BradSmull-NRL, that's what I expected [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:29] Jasmine-nrlp3, we just got 42 image [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:44] BobHouze-Ops, I assume you expected it because it was in MM5? ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:56] BobHouze-Ops-- that's good news, thanks for the update!! [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:58] BradSmull-NRL, shame on you! [GMT 09/22/05 17:36:59] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL Yes - we want you to do another circuit. [GMT 09/22/05 17:37:32] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, we all agree to that! [GMT 09/22/05 17:37:57] Jasmine - Great - you are flying a great track. [GMT 09/22/05 17:38:24] GregStossmeister-Ops--thanks, we all agree we're getting some great data [GMT 09/22/05 17:38:45] jimm (jimm@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/22/05 17:39:54] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:40:00] BobHouze-Ops, we know you're n observationalist at-heart... it's just that you HANG with the modeling crowd.... [GMT 09/22/05 17:40:20] BradSmull-NRL, "guilt by association" [GMT 09/22/05 17:41:16] Or "success by association"--it all depends! [GMT 09/22/05 17:41:40] Band immediately to our W is now becoming more discretely cellular [GMT 09/22/05 17:42:12] Jasmine-nrlp3, can you check with the noaa planes to find out when we might start getting 1hz data again? we have no position info fir \\\ [GMT 09/22/05 17:42:22] Jasmine-nrlp3, for more than 30 minutes... [GMT 09/22/05 17:42:46] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- ok, both planes? [GMT 09/22/05 17:43:27] Jasmine-nrlp3, yes both of 'em [GMT 09/22/05 17:43:41] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 17:44:26] BradSmull-NRL, Something to keep in mind this circuit - How broken is this secondary eyewall. We are entertaining the idea of getting you inside the secondary eyewall for one circuit if we see an opportunity. [GMT 09/22/05 17:45:48] BradSmull-NRL, But we wouldn't do that anytime soon. [GMT 09/22/05 17:46:02] StacyBrodzik-Ops--ok, we're calliin' them now [GMT 09/22/05 17:46:10] GregStossmeister-Ops, Hmmmmm... that looks a bit tough, as much as we would LIKE to do so. We'll think/watch more about it [GMT 09/22/05 17:46:17] Brad: The mode area in bwteen the two eyewalls is very stable. [GMT 09/22/05 17:46:28] BradSmull-NRL, Exactly - only a thought. [GMT 09/22/05 17:46:45] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- they might just be out of coverage, but we're checking [GMT 09/22/05 17:47:14] ShuyiChen-opc, yes, we agree, however the problem is that the "secondary eyewall" just inside our flight radius is fairly intense and we would need to cross it. We're evaluating [GMT 09/22/05 17:47:26] BradSmull-NRL, We're still thinking about that patch for you all ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 17:47:32] lmurphy (lmurphy@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:48:12] Brad: sure. only if there is a clear broken area you can get in and out. [GMT 09/22/05 17:48:46] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- they said they're out of global star coverage right now, and can only transmit either LF or 1 Hz. [GMT 09/22/05 17:49:14] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- once they get back on G*, they'll transmit 1 Hz. Of course, they understand that LF is much more important at this stage [GMT 09/22/05 17:49:24] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:49:25] Brad: just an idea. You'll be the one to make that decision. [GMT 09/22/05 17:49:30] ShuyiChen-opc-- we're discussing it with Carl right now [GMT 09/22/05 17:49:52] Jasmine-nrlp3, thanks for the update; for the time being, the lf data if more important [GMT 09/22/05 17:50:12] Jasmine-nrlp3, as terry would say,"if = is" [GMT 09/22/05 17:50:41] StacyBrodzik-Ops--he he. Ok [GMT 09/22/05 17:51:19] Ops, if we were to go in, how long would we stay in? and how likely is it that secondary eyewall would intensify over that period and make exit difficult? [GMT 09/22/05 17:51:50] Nick change: lmurphy -> LarryMurphy-Tampa [GMT 09/22/05 17:52:16] JohnGamache-hrd: Doppler processing is taking a long time. Shirley is still working on first leg. Is there harm in quitting app. and restarting? [GMT 09/22/05 17:52:30] BradSmull-NRL, i think it is pushing the envelope to try this. disregard this idea. too risky. [GMT 09/22/05 17:52:33] Brad: don't worry about. We can drop the idea. [GMT 09/22/05 17:54:19] ericu_43 Are you able to go to #hrd on AOC's server? [GMT 09/22/05 17:54:32] yep [GMT 09/22/05 17:55:03] Action: ChrisBurghart-Boulder is away: Lunch. Back around 19:00 UTC. [GMT 09/22/05 17:55:06] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:55:46] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:56:00] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:56:05] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 17:56:10] Ok, EricU. I will look for you at #hrd [GMT 09/22/05 17:57:47] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:58:07] N43 is back!! [GMT 09/22/05 17:58:34] Welcome back, Dave! [GMT 09/22/05 17:58:51] DaveJorgensen-n43, we are not getting lf data or 1hz data from 43 at this time [GMT 09/22/05 17:59:19] terry-n43, Update: we are getting 1hz data, but no LF data stream. [GMT 09/22/05 17:59:37] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 17:59:45] Our last center fix at 1745 Z 25.59N 89.02W 910 mb CP estimated  914 mb via dropsonde [GMT 09/22/05 18:00:02] we'll get the LF going again soon Ops [GMT 09/22/05 18:00:35] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:01:03] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Jasmine-nrlp3 [GMT 09/22/05 18:01:06] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:01:13] NRL has crossed outer eyewall with no problem [GMT 09/22/05 18:01:43] It was a piece of cake [GMT 09/22/05 18:01:45] Jasmine-nrlp3, As soon as you exit, get back on a downwind track following the secondary eyewall ok? [GMT 09/22/05 18:02:02] Jasmine-nrlp3, Just what you were doing before. [GMT 09/22/05 18:02:07] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:02:26] We might want to stay, it was very easy. We would keep our eye on the evolution [GMT 09/22/05 18:03:15] Thanks, NRL!!! [GMT 09/22/05 18:04:26] BobHouze-Ops, are you getting N43 LF now?? [GMT 09/22/05 18:04:49] DaveJorgensen-n43, No not yet. [GMT 09/22/05 18:04:54] Nick change: ericu_43 -> EricUhlhorn_n43rf [GMT 09/22/05 18:05:07] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:05:12] OK we'll check Ops [GMT 09/22/05 18:05:15] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:06:01] ericu_43 If radar processing takes more than 30-40 minutes, go ahead and quite and try remaking jobfile. Never saw you at #hrd on sed server. [GMT 09/22/05 18:07:56] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:07:57] EricUhlhorn_n43rf (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 18:09:07] shuyi -- here's a drop update: on the inbound leg from the SW to the NE, I dropped a rainex sonde just inside the outer eyewall and in the moat region. [GMT 09/22/05 18:09:23] neither of those worked, however, unfortunately [GMT 09/22/05 18:09:38] there was then a NHC drop at the surface wind max on the inner eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 18:10:06] On the SW side there was a pretty notable wind max through that outer eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 18:10:27] on the outbound leg to the NE, I dropped a sonde in the moat region. That one worked. [GMT 09/22/05 18:11:37] I was going to drop another sonde at the inner edge of the outer eyewall, but the LF radar froze up and I missed when we passed through (it was pretty broken up anyway). [GMT 09/22/05 18:11:55] there was not much of a signal in the FL wind field though anyway [GMT 09/22/05 18:12:15] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:12:15] Rob: Thanks! We are definitely seeing the development of the outer eyewall. [GMT 09/22/05 18:12:41] so the storm seems to continue to show a FL wind peak indicative of a secondary eyewall in the SW and SE quads, but not in the NW and NE quads [GMT 09/22/05 18:12:56] NRL is inside of the outer eyewall and dropping sondes in the moat region. [GMT 09/22/05 18:12:59] DaveJorgensen-n43, any word on the lf data?? [GMT 09/22/05 18:13:02] but in the eye the LF showed a classic concentric eyewall pattern (as you mentioned just now) [GMT 09/22/05 18:13:10] not yet Stacy [GMT 09/22/05 18:13:20] shuyi -- ok great! That's great they're in there. [GMT 09/22/05 18:13:40] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [GMT 09/22/05 18:15:23] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left &RAINEX (Leaving). [GMT 09/22/05 18:15:28] Rob: the LF data from 43 and 42 really helps to guide NRL get in there. It will be a great data set for sure! [GMT 09/22/05 18:15:41] excellent! [GMT 09/22/05 18:15:58] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:16:33] RobRogers-N43, we are still not getting LF data from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 18:16:51] We know Bob, working on it [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:04] DaveJorgensen-n43, thanks [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:07] Bob, they are goig to have to reboot system but they can't get up to do it now [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:11] problem is with sat comm - Lf is working up here [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:16] going through some pretty good bumps here on the NE side [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:17] BradSmull-nrl (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:25] probably the bumpiest all flight would you agree Dave? [GMT 09/22/05 18:17:33] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:18:07] naw [GMT 09/22/05 18:18:27] should settle down as we move west [GMT 09/22/05 18:18:42] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:18:44] yeah it already has [GMT 09/22/05 18:18:59] Nick change: N43-Sta2 -> ericuhlhorn-n43 [GMT 09/22/05 18:20:16] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Jasmine-nrlp3 [GMT 09/22/05 18:20:27] we hit about a 11 m/s updraft there, 4 m/s downdraft just prior to that [GMT 09/22/05 18:21:00] NRL is back on iridium...for now [GMT 09/22/05 18:21:05] Ops 42 LF reflectivity probably 4-5 dbz higher than 43 due to altitude difference - most of 43 beam goes over the top of freezing level [GMT 09/22/05 18:23:13] The SW eyewall is totally decaying on before our eyes on ELDORA [GMT 09/22/05 18:23:19] DaveJorgensen-n43, that's what we thought [GMT 09/22/05 18:23:51] DaveJorgensen-n43, RobRogers-N43 we got 43 lf data for 2 minutes and now it's stalled again [GMT 09/22/05 18:23:56] Jasmine-nrlp3, that seems to confirm the replacement cycle [GMT 09/22/05 18:24:28] BobHouze-Ops-- i would say so! [GMT 09/22/05 18:25:03] We've been getting fantastic data of both sides of the inner eyewall and our side of the outer eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 18:25:18] we're still working on the problem Stacy, shouldn't be too much longer [GMT 09/22/05 18:25:31] DaveJorgensen-n43, thanks [GMT 09/22/05 18:25:51] we were all strapped into the seats due to turb, and couldn't reach the sys to reboot - now we're out of our seats again [GMT 09/22/05 18:26:31] Ops-sea state far exceeds anything I have ever seen (only small glimpses possible here outside eyewall) [GMT 09/22/05 18:27:06] BradSmull-nrl, You have a pretty good tracking going Brad . . . round and round [GMT 09/22/05 18:28:00] Yep Dave--it's our day at the carnival :-) [GMT 09/22/05 18:28:21] BradSmull-nrl, don't get dizzy [GMT 09/22/05 18:28:24] its a cool pattern . . . wish we could join you! [GMT 09/22/05 18:29:03] I hope that outer eye doesn't fill in and go convective, you might be stuck in there till landfall . . like that bird we saw yesterday [GMT 09/22/05 18:29:33] DaveJorgensen-n43-- I was thinking the same thing! Luckily we're getting out of here very soon [GMT 09/22/05 18:29:41] Dave--trust me, we share your hope! [GMT 09/22/05 18:30:06] BobHouze-Ops-- do we have an update on Rita? (well, we know where the center is, but anything else). [GMT 09/22/05 18:30:18] BobHouze-Ops, it's too late--I was dizzy when I woke up this morning [GMT 09/22/05 18:30:25] it looked pretty stratiform when we last passed through it [GMT 09/22/05 18:30:34] Dave: it's funny! It will happen, but slowly. [GMT 09/22/05 18:30:55] Jasmine-nrlp3, Shuyi is looking up the latest updates [GMT 09/22/05 18:31:08] BobHouze-Ops--great, thanks [GMT 09/22/05 18:32:25] Ok, we're finding a soft spot to exit now [GMT 09/22/05 18:32:28] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [GMT 09/22/05 18:32:46] I agree Shuyi, soon the inner eye will die and the outer will start to contract again . . reintensification probably tonight tomorrows flight should be pretty interesting too [GMT 09/22/05 18:33:12] NRL preparing to exit [GMT 09/22/05 18:33:12] I mean exit secondary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 18:33:28] Jasmine-nrlp3, When you exit resume your downwind circuits on the outside of the secoondary eyewall please. [GMT 09/22/05 18:34:03] BradSmull-nrl, you guys feeling too much centrufugal force? [GMT 09/22/05 18:34:47] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-nrl When you exit resume your downwind circuits on the outside of the secoondary eyewall please. [GMT 09/22/05 18:35:45] Now tracking radially outbound [GMT 09/22/05 18:35:47] jmoore_ (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:35:48] Jasmine: Here is an update on Rita. NHC's 11 AM forecast landfall slightly east of Huston at on Saturday morning. [GMT 09/22/05 18:36:00] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:36:03] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:36:37] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:36:49] NRL has made it through [GMT 09/22/05 18:36:53] terry-n43, the 43 LF is back up in Ops, thank you very much! [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:07] BradSmull-nrl, Congratulations! [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:14] super Ops! [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:17] BradSmull-nrl, how much of a bump did you get? [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:47] Turning to resume our outer radius downwind track. [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:47] Ops-do you want us to resume dropping on this outer downwind leg? [GMT 09/22/05 18:37:49] Well Dave, if you see me walking around later today leaning to the left... you'll know why! [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:14] DaveJorgensen-n43, Ask Barry if we get our penetration patches now.... [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:21] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:30] BobHouze-Ops, very little actually. It was all a matter of choosing the right azimuth to exit--some segments looked wicked! [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:31] JimMoore-Ops (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:45] Thanks Shuyi [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:52] Ops--dropsondes? [GMT 09/22/05 18:38:59] What's the current intensity [GMT 09/22/05 18:39:13] BradSmull-nrl, dropsonde pattern for NRL [GMT 09/22/05 18:39:23] Jasmine: landfall intensity is still uncertain, partly depends on the eyewall replacement cycle we're looking at it. NHC keep it as Cat 4. [GMT 09/22/05 18:39:29] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:40:14] BradSmull-nrl, drop 4 sondes on outsied circuit. at S, E, N, W. Then if you go around again SE, NE, NW, SW [GMT 09/22/05 18:40:17] Ok, thanks Shuyi. [GMT 09/22/05 18:40:26] BobHouze-Ops-- got it [GMT 09/22/05 18:40:59] no Brad, you guys wimped out and only get a half a patch for penetrating only the outer wall [GMT 09/22/05 18:41:26] [GMT 09/22/05 18:42:11] Jasmine, I mean Cat 4 at landfall, according to NHC. [GMT 09/22/05 18:42:25] DaveJorgensen-n43, that's exactly what Carl predicted Barry would say! [GMT 09/22/05 18:42:33] DaveJorgensen-n43, BradSmull-nrl [GMT 09/22/05 18:42:59] [GMT 09/22/05 18:43:21] :) [GMT 09/22/05 18:43:24] Half is better than 0. We can glue two halves into one, right? [GMT 09/22/05 18:43:35] ShuyiChen-opc-- gotcha [GMT 09/22/05 18:43:55] make another half-pass tomorrow and you can claim a whole patch [GMT 09/22/05 18:44:11] NRL is climbing to 14kft to avoid alt conflicts [GMT 09/22/05 18:44:18] but I'll buy you half a beer tonight for your heroism [GMT 09/22/05 18:44:53] [GMT 09/22/05 18:45:06] hey brad, you know the rule that when you circumnavigate within a moat region for the first time you buy a round of drinks for everyone, right? [GMT 09/22/05 18:45:28] BradSmull-nrl, That's not the sense I got from the phone conversations here a bit ago. [GMT 09/22/05 18:45:59] [GMT 09/22/05 18:46:04] Released drop in the S [GMT 09/22/05 18:46:18] sure thing, Brad. :-) [GMT 09/22/05 18:46:32] Thx, Jas. [GMT 09/22/05 18:47:00] N43--what was min slp on your last pass thru eye? [GMT 09/22/05 18:47:18] BradSmull-nrl, Actually I lost the bet - I was sure you guys would somehow wander into the eye #accidentally# [GMT 09/22/05 18:47:52] GregStossmeister-Ops, it ALMOST happened! I was of course in the back of the AC monitoring sea state--it would have been on WenChau's watch [GMT 09/22/05 18:48:28] BradSmull-nrl, I thought your track was looking perilously close to a penetration! [GMT 09/22/05 18:48:30] wenchau was wondering whether to tell pilots at that point. [GMT 09/22/05 18:49:01] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:49:15] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:49:18] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:49:23] BradSmull-nrl, Actually I get the impression you wouldn't really have to tell Carl - he would have known where he was going. [GMT 09/22/05 18:49:26] Indeed it was... but at the last minute, Wen-Chau wrestled control away from Jasmine and saved us [GMT 09/22/05 18:50:02] [GMT 09/22/05 18:50:03] Carl termed (post mortem) our operation as a "calculated risk" [GMT 09/22/05 18:50:31] GregStossmeister-Ops-- thanks for the inclusion! :-) [GMT 09/22/05 18:50:32] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:50:59] Jasmine-nrlp3, No problem Jasmine - we're proud of you. [GMT 09/22/05 18:51:19] Aww, shucks. Thanks! [GMT 09/22/05 18:51:29] [GMT 09/22/05 18:51:36] Jasmine-nrlp3, Although we had hoped you would be the one voice of reason on that plane! [GMT 09/22/05 18:51:44] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 18:51:46] JohnGamache-hrd (jfg@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:52:23] GregStossmeister-Ops-- you should have known better... :-) [GMT 09/22/05 18:52:37] Drop away in E [GMT 09/22/05 18:52:50] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:52:55] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:53:00] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 18:53:10] BradSmull-nrl, speaking of wandering into something are you crossing the secondary eyewall again? It looks like that here. [GMT 09/22/05 18:53:30] Ops--we are presently tracking down mid-axis of broad rainband which ultimately spirals into center. we are thus going to edge right to avoid re-inserting oureselves inside secondary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 18:53:48] Jasmine-nrlp3, SO are you outside the band, or right in the band?? [GMT 09/22/05 18:53:58] BradSmull-nrl, OK thanks for the explanation. [GMT 09/22/05 18:54:23] So Ops, you think you want to send us around again? [GMT 09/22/05 18:54:25] Nick change: jmoore_ -> JimMoore-Ops [GMT 09/22/05 18:54:38] N43 is back . . our GlobalStar goes down every time we go passed 90W [GMT 09/22/05 18:54:50] Jasmine-nrlp3, Sure one more time sounds good . [GMT 09/22/05 18:54:55] GregStossmeister-Ops-- we're fixing that [GMT 09/22/05 18:55:06] Ops, this is what happens when we follow a "spiral band", it can only go inward! [GMT 09/22/05 18:55:34] JimMoore-Ops-- we're getting outside now [GMT 09/22/05 18:55:52] GregStossmeister-Ops-- one more time it is then [GMT 09/22/05 18:56:07] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thx Jasmine. [GMT 09/22/05 18:57:54] RobRogers-N43, Do you have an estimate of when you guys expect to head for Tampa? [GMT 09/22/05 18:58:46] BradSmull-nrl (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:58:56] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:59:03] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 18:59:26] Greg -- we're still determining what our pattern, but our nav estimates b/w 5:30 and 6 EDT [GMT 09/22/05 19:00:00] RobRogers-N43, That's when you would leave or when you would expect to land? [GMT 09/22/05 19:00:10] when we would expect to land [GMT 09/22/05 19:00:45] RobRogers-N43, Thanks Rob. [GMT 09/22/05 19:01:30] no problem Greg [GMT 09/22/05 19:03:44] DaveJorgensen-n43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:04:17] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:04:30] terry-n43_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:05:27] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:05:39] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:05:41] RobRogers-N43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:07:13] BradSmull-NRL (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:07:36] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:08:52] science3-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:09:07] Nick change: science3-nrlp3 -> Jasmine-nrlp3 [GMT 09/22/05 19:09:38] we did drop in the NW. Appears on eldora that not much is left of the original eye [GMT 09/22/05 19:11:32] Ops - still only about an 18 knot decrease in wind as we went through the outer eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 19:12:49] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, Thx DAve. [GMT 09/22/05 19:12:50] Ops--I imagine Jasmine already raised issue by phone, but we're curioius about our exit strategy. Well NEquadrant-->direct Tampa work well, or is it too convective for us out there? [GMT 09/22/05 19:13:31] BradSmull-NRL, Standby -We'll look into it. [GMT 09/22/05 19:13:55] MelicieDesflots-NRLP3 (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:14:29] Ops - center fix 1914 Z 25.73N 89.19W 911 mb estimated central pressure 118 knots max wind outer eyewall 130 knots max wind inner eye on NW quad [GMT 09/22/05 19:15:09] Greg--thanks. The sooner we have your input the better. [GMT 09/22/05 19:15:43] Deanna-ops (dhence@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 19:16:02] Melicie-Ops (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:16:57] MikeDaniels-NCAR (daniels@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 19:18:03] MelicieDesflots-NRLP3 (Melicie@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:18:14] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, We are working on exit strategy. Nominally we will depart from NE quadrant in approx 30 min. What are your plans? [GMT 09/22/05 19:18:52] Brad - we plan on finishing our SW pass then return to eye then exit to NE and RTB [GMT 09/22/05 19:18:58] BradSmull-NRL, Our view is to head out (NNE) of the system after you go as far around to the north as possible. Then head NNE to intersect about 27.5 (this may chnage as outer bands rotate)and head for TPA [GMT 09/22/05 19:19:09] Dave--your ETA at NE point? [GMT 09/22/05 19:19:31] I'll check Brad [GMT 09/22/05 19:19:41] JimMoore-Ops, we copy. Ideally we are coordinating w/ 43 to stay in their LF coverage, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 19:20:13] BradSmull-NRL, Yessir-- but I am not quite sure of their timing. [GMT 09/22/05 19:20:51] JimMoore-Ops, DaveJ is working on that issue now and will report back shortly [GMT 09/22/05 19:21:26] In general, there are some outer bands of fair strength to the north and east of the main storm circulation. Good news is that path I described back to TPA is relatively echo free although changes are possible. [GMT 09/22/05 19:21:30] NRL is willing to loiter in NE quadrant for a bit if necessary. We'll gladly ride home on N43RF's coattails ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 19:21:39] Brad - we will go to the NE corner by 2010 [GMT 09/22/05 19:21:44] Which is another way of saying--our ride INTO Rita was more exciting than we wished [GMT 09/22/05 19:21:49] UTC [GMT 09/22/05 19:22:04] BradSmull-NRL, That is good--it will allow the most direct routing [GMT 09/22/05 19:22:57] Ops, our last eye dropsonde had a spash pressure of 913 mb [GMT 09/22/05 19:23:11] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 why are you deviating? [GMT 09/22/05 19:24:06] JimMoore-Ops, Perhaps we can exit ahead of 43 but still within their swath of LF coverage. We will arrive at NNE point in about 25 min (near 1950 UTC). That is 20 min ahead of 43's expected arrival in that part of storm [GMT 09/22/05 19:24:22] JimMoore-Ops, OK, sounds like plan. But if flight begins to feel uncomfortable on our outbound track, we will not hesitate to loiter to await 43's arrival--deal? [GMT 09/22/05 19:24:38] BradSmull-NRL, we need for you to stay on the secondary eyewall till you get on NE or N side of storm [GMT 09/22/05 19:24:58] BobHouze-Ops-- we were getting sucked back into the outer eyewall again. The spiraling bands were were following were leading us back in [GMT 09/22/05 19:25:15] Bob... in this case we do NOT want to "follow the yellow-brick road". It leads inside the secondary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 19:25:28] BradSmull-NRL, If you have time you can reverse tracks up North to wait fro 43. [GMT 09/22/05 19:25:49] BobHouze-Ops-- I see what you're talking about [GMT 09/22/05 19:26:08] So every time we reach SE quadrant, where bands are strongly inclined toward center, we are forced to cross them (radially outward) to avoid that [GMT 09/22/05 19:27:14] BobHouze-Ops, our ELDORA coverage at this radius still extends from eyewall outward--ideal in our view [GMT 09/22/05 19:27:35] BobHouze-Ops-- we're moving closer in now [GMT 09/22/05 19:27:52] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 here are points to follow: go to point H 25.8/88.7 then to point I 26.1/88.8 [GMT 09/22/05 19:28:01] We had a band sneaking into the outer eyewall, and had to deviate around it [GMT 09/22/05 19:28:25] Jasmine-nrlp3, ok I see that now on 43's lf [GMT 09/22/05 19:28:43] JimMoore-Ops, Flight suggests a further circuit and exit NE-bound from SE quadrant so as to keep better (tail-) winds. Is that track dis-favored in terms of convection enroute? [GMT 09/22/05 19:29:07] BobHouze-Ops, thanks for points, we copy. Just passing along Nav's suggestoin for your consideration. [GMT 09/22/05 19:29:30] BradSmull-NRL, we have no objection to that [GMT 09/22/05 19:29:45] BobHouze-Ops--those points were to follow around the outer eyewall, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 19:30:16] Jasmine-nrlp3, Yes they were . [GMT 09/22/05 19:30:17] BobHouze-Ops-- those weren't exit points...right? [GMT 09/22/05 19:30:37] Jasmine-nrlp3, They were not exit points. [GMT 09/22/05 19:30:40] GregStossmeister-Ops-- thanks, just had to make sure! [GMT 09/22/05 19:30:51] BobHouze-Ops, we note that we might not have LF coverage if we follow strategy of exit from SE quadrant... it's a "quadrant quandry". [GMT 09/22/05 19:31:29] We'd likely be most comfortable loitering in NNE part of storm if necessary and following 43 out with benefit of superior LF [GMT 09/22/05 19:31:37] Jasmine-nrlp3, right, those were NOT exit points. they are points to keep you near the 2ndary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 19:32:02] BradSmull-nrl, we will go back into the eye from the NE to make a fix at 2035Z, then exit toward NE to RTB [GMT 09/22/05 19:32:17] BobHouze-Ops-- gotcha [GMT 09/22/05 19:33:53] Jasmine-nrlp3, on the north side you will see a discontinuity in the secondary eyewall. You will need to shift radially out to stay outside the secondary eyewall [GMT 09/22/05 19:33:56] Ops--if N43 is going to be here another hour, theywill not achieve a landing prior to 1800 EDT as we must. Thus we probably need to exit shorly (even if it's without LF guidance) [GMT 09/22/05 19:33:56] So any satellite-based guidance would be appreciated. We saw Jim's rec re: NNE-bound exit earlier [GMT 09/22/05 19:34:11] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, thx for your update [GMT 09/22/05 19:34:46] BobHouze-Ops-- ok [GMT 09/22/05 19:34:50] BradSmull-NRL, welcome Brad. [GMT 09/22/05 19:35:08] We just dropped the NE sonde. That's the last one, correct? [GMT 09/22/05 19:35:14] BradSmull-NRL, Sat shows tight circulation where you have been showing off--I mean flying the past couple of hours [GMT 09/22/05 19:35:29] Ops- Our plan is to exit N along 89 W until we reach 27 N, then track ENE. [GMT 09/22/05 19:35:32] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, RobRogers-NOAA43 do you have contact with 42. We have not gotten lf data from them in 20 minutes [GMT 09/22/05 19:35:50] JimMoore-Ops-- hey, we resemble...I mean...resent that remark [GMT 09/22/05 19:36:03] C'mon JimMoore-Ops, every air-crew deserves their day in the sun (or at the carnival or whatever it is we've been doing) [GMT 09/22/05 19:36:34] I'll check Bob. [GMT 09/22/05 19:36:41] OPS--we think we can do another lap and then follow 43 home. How does that sounds to you? [GMT 09/22/05 19:37:03] BradSmull-NRL, Then outer more convective bands are displaced .5. to 1 degree (60 nmi or so) to the N and E. [GMT 09/22/05 19:37:33] BradSmull-NRL, We are trying to bring you out S and E of those outer bands--Also we have 88D data to help [GMT 09/22/05 19:37:35] OPS--do you want drops on this next round? [GMT 09/22/05 19:37:44] Jasmine-nrlp3, you arer coming up on the point where you need to shift outward a bit [GMT 09/22/05 19:38:01] JimMoore-Ops, thanks [GMT 09/22/05 19:38:08] BobHouze-Ops-- ok [GMT 09/22/05 19:38:18] Jasmine-nrlp3, standby for word on sondes [GMT 09/22/05 19:38:22] BobHouze-Ops-- thanks, we'll be very careful here [GMT 09/22/05 19:38:57] Jasmine-nrlp3, another lap is good [GMT 09/22/05 19:39:15] Jasmine-nrlp3, we are trying to get shuyi for word on sondes [GMT 09/22/05 19:39:26] BobHouze-Ops-- we agree, another lap=more data! [GMT 09/22/05 19:39:35] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:40:22] Jasmine-nrlp3, no more sondes [GMT 09/22/05 19:40:34] BobHouze-Ops, further update--flight proposes to continue downwind to SE quadrant, then begin our exit NE-bound, bascally abeam (i.e. to the right) of 43's home-bound track [GMT 09/22/05 19:40:43] This will have dual advantage of good tailwinds and, presumably, LF coverage [GMT 09/22/05 19:40:45] BobHouze-Ops-- ok, copy that, no more sondes [GMT 09/22/05 19:41:37] Brad, we're at our SE corner point - turning downwind for the run to our NE corner point [GMT 09/22/05 19:41:59] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL we are getting mixed messages from the 2 of you. we think it is better to circuit around to the NE on the feature and THEN exit NE. Otherwise you'll get more convection [GMT 09/22/05 19:42:37] DaveJorgensen-n43rf, we copy. Our flight crew is vascillating...We see Bob's recommendation to exit toward NE and will follow that [GMT 09/22/05 19:42:52] Hopefully our LF coverage will extend E enough for you to see a good exit [GMT 09/22/05 19:43:12] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL there is a lot of convective band activitySE and E of the storm [GMT 09/22/05 19:43:27] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- it's turned to night again on our image...FYI [GMT 09/22/05 19:43:49] BobHouze-Ops-- yes, we can see that from LF (or, saw that from the last image) [GMT 09/22/05 19:43:56] Brad there are more bands (and stronger too) to the E, they kinda peter out to the NE [GMT 09/22/05 19:44:05] Jasmine-nrlp3, we like to send you one of those once per flight to keep you on your toes:-) [GMT 09/22/05 19:44:14] BradSmull-NRL, we agree with Dave [GMT 09/22/05 19:44:38] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- hey, it proves I'm awake up here, I suppose [GMT 09/22/05 19:44:45] pchang_n42, we haven't gotten lf data for almost 30 minutes; is that being looked into? [GMT 09/22/05 19:45:03] We also agree with Dave. We were simply responding to a request from our flight deck for more favorable exit winds. We will opt instead for reduced convection enroute [GMT 09/22/05 19:45:44] BradSmull-NRL, good, right decision [GMT 09/22/05 19:46:32] terry-n43_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:46:44] RobRogers-NOAA43 (Rob@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:46:58] DaveJorgensen-n43rf (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:47:46] ericuhlhorn-n43 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:48:20] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 19:49:15] Ops is not getting LF data from N43, but fortunately we are getting LF from N42 now [GMT 09/22/05 19:50:22] jmoore_ (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 19:50:39] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. 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[GMT 09/22/05 19:58:28] The flight director needed inmarsat to call NHC so it was off line for a bit [GMT 09/22/05 19:58:57] MarkBradford-Boulder (MarkBradfo@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 20:01:28] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 20:01:38] terry-n43, no data coming in from 43 lf; last packet was at 1945 [GMT 09/22/05 20:03:16] ls [GMT 09/22/05 20:04:10] Terry, we beseech thee for thoust data [GMT 09/22/05 20:04:52] BradSmull-NRL: I don't see anyone from 42 or 43 on the chat right now. [GMT 09/22/05 20:05:46] ChrisBurghart-Boulder, that's been the case for several long periods today. Presumably one of their two satcom links has been going down a lot [GMT 09/22/05 20:06:09] Ops--any updates on convection to N/NE of storm (GOES-based or otherwise)? [GMT 09/22/05 20:06:50] JimMoore (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:06:51] jmoore_ (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:07:02] Ops- one option for us is, upon reaching N side of storm, to reverse track for a bit to allow 43 time to finish their pattern and then accompany us on RTB [GMT 09/22/05 20:07:16] BradSmull-NRL, It's still where Jim told you come east along about 27.4 to stay south of most of it. [GMT 09/22/05 20:07:50] jmoore_ (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 20:08:08] Thx Greg-- [GMT 09/22/05 20:08:25] BradSmull-NRL, I thought 43 was done with their pattern and were just flying north to sync with you. [GMT 09/22/05 20:08:43] BradSmull-NRL, Jasmine-nrlp3 we are not getting lf data from 43 [GMT 09/22/05 20:09:31] JimMoore-Ops (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 20:09:48] Bob--good point--in that case, waiting/loitering doesn't buy us much [GMT 09/22/05 20:10:06] We will likely engineer our own exit subject to guidelines Greg/Jim have already passed [GMT 09/22/05 20:11:34] BradSmull-NRL, So you are planning to head north to about 27.5 then head east is that the plan? [GMT 09/22/05 20:11:56] GregStossmeister-Ops, yes [GMT 09/22/05 20:13:34] BradSmull-NRL, Watch for isolated cells as you head northeast. When you get to about 88 West we'll have some 88D data to help as well. [GMT 09/22/05 20:14:02] GregStossmeister-Ops, NRL is beginning its N-bound exit [GMT 09/22/05 20:14:13] BradSmull-NRL, Ok Brad Thx. [GMT 09/22/05 20:16:16] BradSmull-NRL, How's the ride so far? [GMT 09/22/05 20:16:35] Smooth! (but please don't jinx us!) [GMT 09/22/05 20:16:37] BradSmull-NRL, If not already started you can angle NE--assuming headwinds are acceptable [GMT 09/22/05 20:17:38] There will be several bands you cross in the near future no stronger than what you have already experienced in the main storm [GMT 09/22/05 20:18:06] JimMoore, Flight anticipated your suggestion--now tracking 060 [GMT 09/22/05 20:18:59] Right Jim--but we remember well the outer convective bands from our initial approach into the storm. We'll be careful. [GMT 09/22/05 20:19:30] Once you are east of 86 along 27.5, there will be some embedded cells of modest DBZ [GMT 09/22/05 20:20:00] BradSmull-NRL, We will begin watchng Tampa 88D for updates [GMT 09/22/05 20:20:25] Thx Jim--as Willard Scott would say, we'll keep a "weather eye" [GMT 09/22/05 20:21:24] BradSmull-NRL, Also note that McDill is good at this time will usual PM convection NE and East [GMT 09/22/05 20:22:13] Thanks Jim, passed that along to our flight deck [GMT 09/22/05 20:23:15] We see taller cells both E and W of our track toward 030,but locally we seem to be in good shape. SF precip beneath us has some wild-looking *shallow* convection, however [GMT 09/22/05 20:23:15] embedded convection, that is [GMT 09/22/05 20:24:22] BradSmull-NRL, Do you have an ETA for arrival at McDill? [GMT 09/22/05 20:24:33] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- out of curiosity, on our images, what is the data to the north of 42's radar range? where does that data come from? [GMT 09/22/05 20:24:47] GregStossmeister-Ops-- about 90 min [GMT 09/22/05 20:24:49] Jasmine-nrlp3, 88D data [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:02] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, that's what I thought [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:10] didn't know we added that as well, sweet! [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:26] Jasmine-nrlp3, Just for you. . . [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:44] Jasmine-nrlp3, greg's taking care of things for me while i take pictures of our visitors [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:49] Ahhhh, so the New Orleans 88-D lives! [GMT 09/22/05 20:25:53] GregStossmeister-Ops-- well, we sure appreciate it. [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:01] visitors? [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:05] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- visitors? [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:13] BradSmull-NRL, How did you guess? [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:30] Jasmine-nrlp3, The 88Ds have a long range scan that is useful. But we are cautous cause scans are pretty high in the cells and don't see the lower stronger areas [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:54] Jasmine-nrlp3, Otis brought in a couple folks -- Dave Atlas and someone else -- and Bob and Shuyi are doing a little demo [GMT 09/22/05 20:26:57] Understood Jim--we'll keep a close watch [GMT 09/22/05 20:27:06] JimMoore-- yes, I understand that. Careful sounds good on this end [GMT 09/22/05 20:27:18] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- oooh, sound fancy. [GMT 09/22/05 20:27:33] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL --Yes Sir, you are in the able control of Brodzik, Stoss and Uncle Jim [GMT 09/22/05 20:27:55] Jasmine-nrlp3, bob's like a proud papa showing off his big storm . . . as if he'd planned this! [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:03] Greg, this is Wenchau, can you say hi to Dave Atlas for me? [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:08] JimMoore-- Sounds safe to me! [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:25] StacyBrodzik-Ops--oh, I bet. Hopefully he's VERY excited about what we did today [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:42] I knew it... we're merely PAWNS in a much larger game [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:48] Wen-Chau I would but this is a different one than you are thinking I think. [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:49] ELDORA, bless her, got some great data. [GMT 09/22/05 20:28:56] BradSmull-NRL, you're absolutely right! [GMT 09/22/05 20:29:00] WE are defintly excited about what we accomplished today [GMT 09/22/05 20:29:26] Jasmine-nrlp3, [GMT 09/22/05 20:29:50] [GMT 09/22/05 20:29:51] BradSmull-NRL, i think everyone here is equally excited about the flights today; you guys did a great job [GMT 09/22/05 20:30:07] [GMT 09/22/05 20:30:28] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:30:37] [GMT 09/22/05 20:31:02] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- yes, we had good coms with everyone on NRL today. We were all on the same page at the same time, scientists, pilots, and navs alike [GMT 09/22/05 20:31:03] [GMT 09/22/05 20:31:11] And, of course, Ops [GMT 09/22/05 20:31:28] Jasmine-nrlp3, good catch Jas :-) [GMT 09/22/05 20:31:31] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thanks for remembering us. [GMT 09/22/05 20:32:20] GregStossmeister-Ops-- StacyBrodzik-Ops---you got us through it, how could I forget... [GMT 09/22/05 20:32:52] Jasmine-nrlp3, NOW you're talking .. . [GMT 09/22/05 20:32:57] Encountering a few convective lumps here near 27.3 88.6 [GMT 09/22/05 20:33:10] Jasmine-nrlp3, Always good to be part of a mutual admiration society. [GMT 09/22/05 20:33:52] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL Why are you flying SE toward more cells right now? [GMT 09/22/05 20:34:36] GregStossmeister-Ops-- yes, we've been dodging some stuff using our nose and ELDORA [GMT 09/22/05 20:34:49] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL If you come left about 10nmi it looks like it might be clearer. [GMT 09/22/05 20:35:09] Greg-we're threading our way. Cells are fairly widespread at low altitude. Now climbing to 17kft to try to get above the gunk--nothing TOO rough tho [GMT 09/22/05 20:35:30] N43-Sta2: welcome back. Any chance of LF data soon? [GMT 09/22/05 20:35:47] Greg--the world out here is fractal, i.e. how ever much detail you see, we can always find more on the nose radar ;-) [GMT 09/22/05 20:36:06] BradSmull-NRL, I believe it. [GMT 09/22/05 20:36:08] BradSmull-NRL, Great Brad-- This the part about the 88D sites being far away--as you know [GMT 09/22/05 20:38:14] Exactly, Jim. This is where the rubber meets the road, in terms or radar meteorology at least [GMT 09/22/05 20:38:55] GregStossmeister-Ops, My previoius observaion is particularly true with respect to "rainbands'. I had NO idea that hurricanes had so many of the blasted things! [GMT 09/22/05 20:39:16] But we've (as a group) gotten MUCH better at finding our way, It hink [GMT 09/22/05 20:39:25] BradSmull-NRL, Not quite like our simple conceptual model huh. [GMT 09/22/05 20:40:06] BradSmull-NRL, Indeed- Next cells we can see of "interest" are on your nose at Longitude 86.5 [GMT 09/22/05 20:40:11] BradSmull-NRL, have any of you heard from 43 lately? we haven't gotten any data from them for almost an hour [GMT 09/22/05 20:40:18] Uhhh, no. But the simple model made a much better T-shirt [GMT 09/22/05 20:40:49] StacyBrodzik-Ops, no, not a word, either via chat or radio [GMT 09/22/05 20:42:07] Jasmine-nrlp3, FYI, i misspoke earlier . . . our visitors are Bob Atlas and Judy Gray [GMT 09/22/05 20:42:12] LarryMurphy-Tampa (lmurphy@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 20:43:04] StacyBrodzik-Ops--oooh, ok. [GMT 09/22/05 20:43:41] BradSmull-NRL, Brad good news is I misspoke earlier--cells of interest are on your nose at 85.5 [GMT 09/22/05 20:44:18] BradSmull-NRL, By then, you may have some help from ATC as well-- [GMT 09/22/05 20:44:44] Thanks Jim--will pass that along [GMT 09/22/05 20:45:22] BradSmull-NRL, What are the head/tail winds?? [GMT 09/22/05 20:45:25] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:45:40] terry-n43, long time no communicado [GMT 09/22/05 20:45:52] terry-n43-- welcome back, you! [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:06] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:18] Current wind is 145/50 kt, so we're probably catching 15 kt or so of that--not as bad as it's been [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:37] terry-n43, do you guys have an ETA in Tampa? [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:44] 43--you've re-materialized! [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:44] hi.... Jimmy Barr was in the seat for most of the flight, but I'm here now [GMT 09/22/05 20:46:56] is lf data & 1hz data flowing? [GMT 09/22/05 20:47:15] 1Hz yes. LF no. [GMT 09/22/05 20:47:21] Jasmine-nrlp3, BradSmull-NRL : Shuyi and Deanna are going to replace you on NRL tomorrow. Deanna is driving up with Melicie who is flying on 42 tomorrow. Jaasmine should ride back with Wei Zhao who is on 43 today. [GMT 09/22/05 20:47:58] DaveJorgensen-n43, ETA to Tampa? [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:05] Bob--we copy [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:24] Jasmine-nrlp3, you will be needed in ops as soon as you can get back [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:37] lmurphy (lmurphy@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:37] BradSmull-NRL, we hope you can fly with NOAA tomorrow [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:41] Greg, we just exited the E eyewall our ETA to MCF is 2230 UTC [GMT 09/22/05 20:48:49] Bob--have you spoken to McFadden about getting me a seat on 43 tomorrow? Preferably one close to Dave Jorgensen [GMT 09/22/05 20:49:57] DaveJorgensen-n43, Thanks Dave. [GMT 09/22/05 20:50:23] BradSmull-NRL, we've been unable to reach jimm today. Jim Moore is going to try calling him again. [GMT 09/22/05 20:51:29] OK Bob, thx [GMT 09/22/05 20:52:15] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 20:56:50] terry-n43: Still no LF data coming in. Any chance of more to come? [GMT 09/22/05 20:56:51] BradSmull-NRL, Regarding seat on 43-- Jim McF said to talk to Rob- He holds the seats you have bargain for [GMT 09/22/05 20:57:05] BradSmull-NRL, Sounds like 43 will be the last one home tonight ~6:30 so suggested briefing time would bt &pm. [GMT 09/22/05 20:57:17] BradSmull-NRL, Sounds like 43 will be the last one home tonight ~6:30 so suggested briefing time would bt 7pm. [GMT 09/22/05 20:57:22] Ops - our last center fix at 2043Z 25.83N 89.42W central pressure 911.4 (dropsonde) [GMT 09/22/05 20:57:39] our F/D is currently usung the inmarsat phone, when he gets off I'll restart lf [GMT 09/22/05 20:57:52] terry-n43, thanks for the info [GMT 09/22/05 20:58:25] DaveJorgensen-n43, What about max winds in the EW? [GMT 09/22/05 20:58:31] glad to be back... it felt wierd all day being off xchat, etc... [GMT 09/22/05 20:58:38] Ops - definately double eye structure max FL winds NE quad outer wall 121 knots 125 knots inner wall [GMT 09/22/05 20:59:30] eyes are very well defined on LF - inner eye open to S [GMT 09/22/05 21:00:01] Also, dropsonde in moat region on SW side has very impressive dry layer nearly to the sfc [GMT 09/22/05 21:00:44] DaveJorgensen-n43, Double eyewall feature is dramatic on 42 LF [GMT 09/22/05 21:01:05] Wow Dave---doesn't sound like Rita has weakened much [GMT 09/22/05 21:01:17] Yes, Jim I would expect that since they're lower [GMT 09/22/05 21:01:50] not much weakening Brad, but as outer eye takes over I would think it would rise dramatically maybe 20 mb or so [GMT 09/22/05 21:02:02] then deepening again as the outer eye contracts [GMT 09/22/05 21:02:06] BradSmull-NRL, OK, only cells of interest arch (as in an outer band) from north of your position through SE. [GMT 09/22/05 21:02:11] Ops - Is NHC 5pm discussion out yet? We're wondering about Cat 4 vs. 5 distinction [GMT 09/22/05 21:02:39] BradSmull-NRL, I haven't heard, may try to surf the net and see [GMT 09/22/05 21:03:01] OK Jim-- we have a visual on those out our front window--thanks [GMT 09/22/05 21:03:01] There appear to be small breaks but your nose radar will better define them [GMT 09/22/05 21:03:51] BradSmull-NRL, Beyond them there is a stratiform region back to 84.5 [GMT 09/22/05 21:04:41] DaveJorgensen-n43, NHC keeps it a 4 with 145 mph and 913 mb-- latest track has landfall at TX/LA border [GMT 09/22/05 21:05:41] Jasmine-nrlp3, are you getting the images ok? [GMT 09/22/05 21:06:15] Damn... poor New Orleans! At least it's a *bit* west of them [GMT 09/22/05 21:06:39] StacyBrodzik-Ops-- sorry, been trying to enjoy the view while it lasts. Appears we're getting images A-OK [GMT 09/22/05 21:07:15] BradSmull-NRL, Indeed, bad news is track keeps coming east at landfall with each forecast cycle- [GMT 09/22/05 21:07:46] Jim--presumably timing of landfall is shifting earlier as well? [GMT 09/22/05 21:08:31] Wen-Chau, if you're there, Renee really needs to find out where you're staying in Tampa. Media people and NCAR PR people want to get hold of you... [GMT 09/22/05 21:08:36] BradSmull-NRL, Landfall is about 3-4am central time [GMT 09/22/05 21:09:00] thanks Jim [GMT 09/22/05 21:09:24] BradSmull-NRL, Does 7pm sound good for a debrief for everyone? We won't wait for 42. [GMT 09/22/05 21:09:38] Still on Saturday eh Jim? A bit surprising given that the storm doesn't have nearly so far to go [GMT 09/22/05 21:10:19] BradSmull-NRL, Well it has slowed to 9 mph and official track hasn't recurved it much yet [GMT 09/22/05 21:10:30] Sounds good to us Jim. Gettng some good bumps as we thread through cells [GMT 09/22/05 21:10:48] Jasmine-nrlp3, Tell your Navy buds they did a fine job picking thru the cells [GMT 09/22/05 21:10:56] Ahhh... well so science will continue tomorrow... a good thing amidst a bad situation [GMT 09/22/05 21:11:08] BradSmull-NRL, OK Spread the word 7pm debrief. [GMT 09/22/05 21:11:14] We're getting some good bumps too Brad as we go through the last band near 87.5W due E of center [GMT 09/22/05 21:11:20] JimMoore-- we're not done yet! But yes, they're doing a great job. [GMT 09/22/05 21:11:41] DaveJorgensen-n43, 7pm debrief tonight please tell everyone. [GMT 09/22/05 21:11:58] Yes Dave--in general our exit has been smoother than our entry--hope same holds for you guys [GMT 09/22/05 21:12:09] OK will do Greg, we just finished out last end point, now RTB officially [GMT 09/22/05 21:13:08] DaveJorgensen-n43, You still seem awefully far out from Tampa can you confirm you'll be on the ground by 6:30? [GMT 09/22/05 21:13:10] Jasmine-nrlp3, Should be some stratiform now for 100 miles or so [GMT 09/22/05 21:13:13] ChrisBurghart-Boulder, I stay in Residence Inn, Westshore, Tampa. I will be back tonigh [GMT 09/22/05 21:13:13] t at 8. [GMT 09/22/05 21:13:41] Nick change: BradSmull-NRL -> WenChau [GMT 09/22/05 21:14:13] we're about 283 miles from KMCF and ETA is 22:12 Z [GMT 09/22/05 21:14:17] JimMoore-- great, thanks. [GMT 09/22/05 21:14:43] WenChau: thx. I'll pass the info to Renee. [GMT 09/22/05 21:15:04] Jasmine-nrlp3, Don't let the aircraft get too far north -- more mess up that way [GMT 09/22/05 21:15:15] DaveJorgensen-n43, OK - I don't believe it but I'll take your word for it. [GMT 09/22/05 21:15:19] ChrisBurghart-Boulder, I will have a mission tomorrow morning ~10:30 takeoff. I will be on the plane one hour before takeoff. [GMT 09/22/05 21:15:35] JimMoore-- ok, thanks for keeping an eye on us [GMT 09/22/05 21:15:48] Greg, we may pick up some more airspeed as we climb so ETA may be shaved a bit [GMT 09/22/05 21:16:00] I'll keep you updated Greg as we mosey on home [GMT 09/22/05 21:16:02] Brad & Dave, the distinction between Cat 5 and 4 is 136 kts vs 135 kts! [GMT 09/22/05 21:16:25] Jasmine-nrlp3, Next cells at centered at 27/84 but that is south of suggested track [GMT 09/22/05 21:16:40] NHC has Rita as a Cat 4 now and keep it as Cat 4 until landfall. [GMT 09/22/05 21:18:33] WenChau (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:18:35] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:18:39] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:19:18] terry-n43_ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:19:40] terry-n43 (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:19:47] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:20:19] DaveJorgensen-n43 (davej@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:20:49] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:21:28] WenChau (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:21:50] Jasmine, SOme cells popping around home base-- for now just N and E of McDIll [GMT 09/22/05 21:22:01] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:22:31] Jasmine-nrlp3, did you get this message- Jasmine-nrlp3, Next cells at centered at 27/84 but that is south of suggested track [GMT 09/22/05 21:22:45] pavel-jeffco_ (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:23:26] got the f/d off the phone, got the process restarted... it should be flowing now [GMT 09/22/05 21:23:38] lf that is [GMT 09/22/05 21:23:43] terry-n43_: We have LF again. Thx. [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:04] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:10] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:12] WenChau (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:43] Deanna-ops (dhence@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:47] Deanna-ops (dhence@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:25:48] coolness!!! [GMT 09/22/05 21:26:39] gotta keep Marty off the phone, he's like a teenager, Always talking on the phone :) [GMT 09/22/05 21:27:07] terry-n43_: Oops, LF is gone again. [GMT 09/22/05 21:28:42] yup... seperate problem [GMT 09/22/05 21:28:47] radar system is hung [GMT 09/22/05 21:28:51] working on that [GMT 09/22/05 21:29:22] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:29:25] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:29:27] WenChau (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:30:32] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 21:31:01] lf should be flowing again.... [GMT 09/22/05 21:31:22] Jcowan-Jeffco (jcowan@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:31:43] terry-n43_: Yep, we have new LF files. [GMT 09/22/05 21:31:51] wicked! [GMT 09/22/05 21:33:14] DaveJ--this is Brad. Would you (or if necessary, Mike Black) be willing to take a stab at copying packetRadarData file to laptop on your return ferry? [GMT 09/22/05 21:34:16] Oops... it would be hard for Mike Black to do it, so I guess it's up to you Dave! [GMT 09/22/05 21:35:19] P.S. If you're not successful using *my* G4, maybe you could try your Titanium [GMT 09/22/05 21:38:14] Jasmine-nrlp3, How are things going--McDill approach from your direction looks OK but cells N-E-S [GMT 09/22/05 21:38:45] JimMoore-- AC is giving them direction, so everything is fine [GMT 09/22/05 21:39:54] N43-Sta2 (N43RF_UDP@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:43:39] WenChau, Can you give us an update on your ETA Tampa? [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:00] marks-hrd (marks@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left &RAINEX (Leaving). [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:00] DaveJorgensen-n43, Can you give us an update on your ETA? [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:03] Wen-Chau: Yes I backed up the files [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:23] Greg, Our ETA now 2210Z [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:31] Jasmine-nrlp3, OK- leave you in their capable hands- See ya [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:35] GregStossmeister-Ops-- stand by [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:42] DaveJorgensen-n43, Thanks Dave. [GMT 09/22/05 21:44:56] JimMoore-- Thanks for caring [GMT 09/22/05 21:45:57] ShuyiChen-opc (Shuyi@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:46:26] GregStossmeister-Ops-- does "sooner than 43" cut it? [GMT 09/22/05 21:46:31] DaveJorgensen-n43, Jasmine-nrlp3 WenChau - 43 is making good time and will be on the ground last at 6:10 so let's have the debrief at 6:45 ok? [GMT 09/22/05 21:46:41] Jasmine-nrlp3, Yep that's fine. [GMT 09/22/05 21:46:41] GregStossmeister-Ops-- I'll bug our nav in a second [GMT 09/22/05 21:46:50] Jasmine-nrlp3, Don't bother. [GMT 09/22/05 21:47:00] Fine with me Greg [GMT 09/22/05 21:47:06] GregStossmeister-Ops-- ok, I figured not [GMT 09/22/05 21:47:16] GregStossmeister-Ops-- 6:45 it is [GMT 09/22/05 21:47:30] JimMoore (jmoore@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:48:00] Jasmine-nrlp3, Thanks. [GMT 09/22/05 21:51:36] NRL on final approach to MCF [GMT 09/22/05 21:53:43] what happened to 6:45? [GMT 09/22/05 21:55:50] terry-n43_, Debrief is at 6:45. [GMT 09/22/05 21:56:32] dang... are you gonna beat us in.... not fair, we left first :) [GMT 09/22/05 21:57:09] ahhhh, right time... wrong activity [GMT 09/22/05 21:57:39] joined the conversation late [GMT 09/22/05 21:58:16] come on, keep on top of things terry! ;) [GMT 09/22/05 21:58:29] terry-n43, you can turn off the radars now, the NRL is safely back on the ground [GMT 09/22/05 21:58:40] NRL landed [GMT 09/22/05 21:59:39] ericloew-ncar (ericloew@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 21:59:57] glad you made it 587... i'll bring the radar down [GMT 09/22/05 22:00:48] pavel-jeffco_ (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 22:01:07] pavel-jeffco- (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 22:01:29] WenChau (science@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 22:01:35] ads-nrlp3 (ads@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 22:01:40] Jasmine-nrlp3 (eldora@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 22:01:45] pavel-jeffco (pavel@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 22:04:33] terry-n43__ (N43_RAMS@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. 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[GMT 09/22/05 22:37:56] JessicaKoury-ops (jessicak@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 22:37:59] ChrisBurghart-Boulder, are you there? [GMT 09/22/05 22:38:10] Yes, still here. [GMT 09/22/05 22:38:37] GregStossmeister-Ops (gstoss@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 22:38:52] OK, looks like I did my final boneheaded thing for the day . . . we stopped getting 42 1hz data for awhile so i thought I applied the kludge [GMT 09/22/05 22:39:22] I saw the kluge there and undid it, since 1Hz wasn't flowing. [GMT 09/22/05 22:39:46] so where's the noaa_42 dir?? i just made an empty one [GMT 09/22/05 22:41:09] i have all of the noaa_42 data on backup up to but not including today and can put that back in there [GMT 09/22/05 22:41:28] Oops, I misspoke. Kluge is in place because no 1Hz is coming in. I moved noaa_42 to noaa_42.real this time. Just to confuse you.. :-) [GMT 09/22/05 22:41:38] Sorry. [GMT 09/22/05 22:41:44] thank god!!!! [GMT 09/22/05 22:41:49] 1hz data should be coming now [GMT 09/22/05 22:42:13] ok all the kludge and unkludge is yours for the rest of today :-) [GMT 09/22/05 22:42:46] I guess I'll unkluge and leave it that way if 42's 1Hz is coming in. Just a sec. [GMT 09/22/05 22:44:01] where'd noaa_42.real go?? [GMT 09/22/05 22:44:32] I removed your empty noaa_42 and moved noaa_42.real to noaa_42 [GMT 09/22/05 22:45:06] i think we crossed wires again because I still show a link [GMT 09/22/05 22:46:12] I just looked and you're right. I ended up just moving noaa_42.real into the LF directory... I'll fix *that* now. [GMT 09/22/05 22:49:01] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Ping timeout [GMT 09/22/05 22:49:42] mblack (mblack@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 22:51:01] pchang_n42 (paul_n42@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. [GMT 09/22/05 22:52:08] StacyBrodzik-Ops: It's back now. But of course 1Hz is gone now, too. [GMT 09/22/05 22:52:47] ok chris -- it's all yours.... [GMT 09/22/05 22:53:22] Thanks for catching my directory/link screw-up. I would have missed it. [GMT 09/22/05 22:54:15] JohnGamache-hrd, we did 2 Doppler legs but communications have been out all day [GMT 09/22/05 23:00:36] ChrisBurghart-Boulder, no problem; I was just glad we got it all back together; I'm listening to the brief now and then heading home; see you tomorrow [GMT 09/22/05 23:02:18] StacyBrodzik-Ops: I assume they're flying tomorrow. I'll be flying myself tomorrow morning, in our new Gulfstream V. I'll probably chat from there. [GMT 09/22/05 23:10:38] sounds like fun! adios [GMT 09/22/05 23:10:41] StacyBrodzik-Ops (brodzik@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [GMT 09/22/05 23:11:14] Ciao. Hasta manana. [GMT 09/22/05 23:11:28] ChrisBurghart-Boulder (burghart@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) left irc: Quit: goin' home [GMT 09/22/05 23:12:49] tml_lappyII (Terry@rdcc.guest.ucar.edu) joined &RAINEX. 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